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3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« on: June 09, 2007, 07:07:09 AM »
what do you guys think?

wanna put 2 18W at the door .. will in work in a 3 way environment???  /64

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2007, 10:17:55 AM »
But why 2 units of 18W? I would be thinking that with a 3-way setup, having a 12M or 15W would be a better option?
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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2007, 10:19:45 AM »
thought of F1 tweeter, midrange and then 2 midbass at the door ....

technically is 3 way with double midbass ... boleh?

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2007, 10:21:04 AM »
the less popular 15M may do better justice.
but the 12M maybe immediately available.
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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2007, 10:22:27 AM »
thought of F1 tweeter, midrange and then 2 midbass at the door ....

technically is 3 way with double midbass ... boleh?

wow... that's a neat idea.
would definetely like to listen to it when done.
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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2007, 10:22:43 AM »
dun get u bro built ...

i need 2 x midbass ... not 2x midrange..

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2007, 10:25:07 AM »
Hm... so basically you are trying to do a 3-way with 4 drivers per channel? As in double midbass? I'm sure if you have the space, double midbass would be great ;D
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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2007, 10:26:27 AM »
Hm... so basically you are trying to do a 3-way with 4 drivers per channel? As in double midbass? I'm sure if you have the space, double midbass would be great ;D

i do have the space bro ... just wondering.. would it help the midbass?

i suppose i need to get the same type of midbass, powered by same type of amp, same frequency .... wat's ur take?

double 7" or double 5" ??

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2007, 10:34:15 AM »
dun get u bro built ...

i need 2 x midbass ... not 2x midrange..

what i meant is to get the 15M.
(your posting #2 beat me to hitting the "enter"
key. that's why it's a little confusing
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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2007, 10:35:50 AM »
what would you like to acheive with the 2 midbass?
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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2007, 10:36:16 AM »
what i meant is to get the 15M.
(your posting #2 beat me to hitting the "enter"
key. that's why it's a little confusing
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15m is the 5 incher revelator right bro? .... looking at either 5inch or 7inch ...

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2007, 10:37:55 AM »
Personally I would go for 2 x 15W not 2 x 18W as a friend of mine proves to me it does go lower compared to the latter if i you plan to use it for midbass.

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2007, 10:38:49 AM »
how about 2 midranges and 2 midbass ? lol ... just an idea ..

anyone know's how thiru's mazda is configured? heard its pretty darn good ..

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2007, 10:40:32 AM »
Even for a 3-way setup , I would go for :
1) tweeter
2) Mids - 15W not 12M or 15M
3) Midbass - 15W

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2007, 10:42:15 AM »
Even for a 3-way setup , I would go for :
1) tweeter
2) Mids - 15W not 12M or 15M
3) Midbass - 15W

any reason for that? sound like 2 way ... will both the 15w be using the same frequency?

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2007, 10:50:25 AM »
yes, 15M is the revelator. F1+15M+18W would
be sufficient, imo. read the 15M specs and you
may agree with me.

savings on the midbass can be of better use for
other upgrades.

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2007, 10:52:28 AM »
for midrange its not a must to use 12M but 15W for mid would be more ideal. Reason being most of time in the car the sound reproduction is a bit thin as we do not have a proper enclosure and 15W definitely plays lower than 12M. 15W characteristic: excel at mids yet clean and low

* 15W and 18W - they share the same magnet size

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2007, 10:56:23 AM »
errr... so now ... is it 15W and 18w   or    15m and 18w ?

either way, both to be mounted at the door liao ...

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2007, 10:57:13 AM »
any reason for that? sound like 2 way ... will both the 15w be using the same frequency?

the two 15Ws are not playing the frequencies.

 
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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2007, 11:07:50 AM »
errr... so now ... is it 15W and 18w   or    15m and 18w ?

either way, both to be mounted at the door liao ...

which is better? - no comment. nobody that i
know of installed 15M. but i think the 15M will
perform better than the 15W on the high and
the 15M has a very low fs of 35Hz (maybe even
lower than 15W). anyway, thats' only my theory.
audio creations would be in a better position
to answer you.

i think the 15M is better boxed separately.

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2007, 11:09:44 AM »
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whichever combi you decide later,
please give me a call when it's done.

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2007, 11:14:45 AM »
ken,
whichever combi you decide later,
please give me a call when it's done.

cheers.

just asking for opinions ... havent really decided yet .. .

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2007, 11:19:00 AM »
Calvinhpk has a simple setup - 2 way(tweets & 15W)without any high end cables and interconnects.
For me he has one of the best vocal compared to 2 way (tweets & 18W)
You might wanna consider this:
mids -15W
midbass -15W
I'm playin 2 way for some time now using 18W for mids , if given a choice I would go for 15W anytime.


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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2007, 11:34:25 AM »
Juz an idea - at the end of the day you have all these high-end speakers and I believe u have a min RM7000++ worth of an amplifer , min worth of RM3800++ HU , min worth RM1000++ interconnects/speakers cables but ultimately the signal will go thru a RM0.20 cents component at the passive. Already you are a believer in AD/BB opamps do make a difference as compared to OEM opamps. And I have tried using VDH orchid interconnect which is worth RM2800 for 1 metre do not make as much difference as compared to changing a RM0.20 cents component in the passive to a RM90 component.

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2007, 04:05:00 PM »
Most of us go 12M because it's smaller and can still be placed at the A-pillar. Imagine a 15M or 15W at the pillar. Kakakaka!  Pengsan right? /01 Even fitting the 15M/W in the kickpanel is going to be a pain in the ass for most cars.

Netken: Are you planning to run active or passive ha? 

Most of the super high-end guys are running full active with either a processor with their HU or an external electronic crossover. So, they don't run through a 20 cent parts-passive. Even if they do run passive, there isn't any shop to assist in modding the parts to higher grade ones without voiding the warranty of both the passive and components completely.

It is not in everyones blood to DIY in the first place, especially if they feel/think they have already spend a considerable sum on the equipment, thus believe it should already be best matched by the manufacturer.

Again, bear in mind that any DIY will void the warranty. That is the reason why many have opted not to go that path unless they are willing to spend time to understand how to build proper crossover networks. Most installers are too busy maximizing profits and after the advent of high-tech and high-quality external processors and crossovers none of the installers will seriously want to turn back.

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2007, 04:36:51 PM »
carcrazy,
do you have a pair of 15M available for audition?
i would love to check it out.

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2007, 04:46:41 PM »
... if given a choice I would go for 15W anytime.

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2007, 04:55:05 PM »
And I have tried using VDH orchid interconnect which is worth RM2800 for 1 metre do not make as much difference as compared to changing a RM0.20 cents component in the passive to a RM90 component.

what are you trying to say?
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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2007, 06:13:59 PM »
basically i was just thinking a double midbass on the door ... 

1 tweet, 1 midrange and 2 midbass on the door ...

running active of course ...

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2007, 01:08:59 PM »
nennen go for it, last time i had the chance to listen to jack's subaru in singapore when he changed from single 8" in door to double 6.5" it was really really good.  he also regretted why he never did it earlier....

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2007, 01:15:24 PM »
nennen go for it, last time i had the chance to listen to jack's subaru in singapore when he changed from single 8" in door to double 6.5" it was really really good.  he also regretted why he never did it earlier....

thanks man ... this was the feedback i was hoping for actually !! :D

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Re: 3 way but with 2 midbass at the door ....
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2007, 09:21:56 AM »
SS 15W requires only 4litres of enclosure space compare to 18W which requires about 11litres (if I am not mistaken). If you want to have good (low) bass with the bass drivers installed on the doors, you need to have sealed enclosure to prevent doors rattling.