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Re: Midrange positioning
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2006, 10:53:03 PM »
Well... just a suggestion, why not try the mids in the kicks first? Coz from what you mentioned, it *does* sound a bit like the pathlength differences that caused it, tried time aligning them?
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Re: Midrange positioning
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2006, 10:58:04 PM »
TA...tried...solve the problem but ... it will be my last resort...

due to the nature of my setup running 3way full active using amp crossover....it can only be crossed at 12db slop....if place at kicks, the distance between 6'driver and 4'driver too close..
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Re: Midrange positioning
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2006, 11:02:13 PM »
Hm... i don't really see too much of a problem with the 2-drivers being close, please enlighten me about what's the cons of doing so.

I actually experimented with placement of drivers in kicks for Wira for a while and find that i like it, with staging being perfect in the middle, but that, of course, is for my tweeters, i have them aimed at the rear view mirror.
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Re: Midrange positioning
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2006, 11:18:22 PM »
with 12 db slop and driver too close together wont sound nice rite??? got no written rule bout that lar...its just from my ears....maybe my tuning skills very bad...
12 db too much overlap and might not get enough saperation between 2 drivers kua....
my humble opinion only...i maybe wrong.
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Re: Midrange positioning
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2006, 12:14:10 AM »
Hm... oh yeah... i kinda missed the part whereby you mentioned you only have 12dB slopes. But hm... you *could* still use steeper slopes IMO, especially the midbass, and also you can only use low pass on your a/d/s/ amp and use the high pass on the HU for more flexible slopes(as in lowpass of bandpass and highpass of bandpass), that way, you are only limited to 12dB between the midrange and tweeter crossover point. And more flexible for the crossover between the midrange and the midbass

And well, like you said, there's no written rule for the crossover settings, it's all about personal preference. Happy tuning, 3-way will only make you have more white hair :D But, the end result, would be satisfying ;)
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Re: Midrange positioning
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2006, 06:49:46 AM »
its more to trial and error kinda thing, no so much as all written in black and white superglwl ....

need to rely more on the listening skills too .... but of course i do agree with you that the basics must be right first!
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Re: Midrange positioning
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2006, 09:06:41 AM »
The slopes would play a part but I personally feel that TA would be the best bet to give you proper imaging.

Its all about compromise, every install would have flaws or areas in which needs improvement. With your Midrange in your kick, your stage will drop but your imaging will be much better. As you have them now on your A-Pillar, your stage would be nice and high but imaging would most probably suffer.

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Re: Midrange positioning
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2006, 10:41:17 AM »
i guess i have to stick to a pillar coz m joint frequency between 6' and 4' driver only can be tuned with 12db slopes fixed...so i think i have to suffer with poor imaging....but nice staging....feels like in a concert hall. with wide recordings of coz..

b4 i go and do up my a-pillar ...i think i need the help of someone to evaluate  the imaging...coz once done with a-pillar cant be undone.
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Re: Midrange positioning
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2006, 11:42:33 AM »
LOL, look like a call for audition... ;D

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Re: Midrange positioning
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2006, 01:02:41 PM »
not really audition lar....
more of a ......"plz help me to hear see in your expert opinion can it do better" sort of thing...
you ppl here sifu mar....need your golden ears...haha
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Re: Midrange positioning
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2006, 10:09:26 AM »
personal experience that cone midrange should be placed at dash for best positioning ..
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Re: Midrange positioning
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2006, 11:56:29 AM »
Now I very pening. Let me go get some oxygen so that I can think straight again.

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Re: Midrange positioning
« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2006, 01:25:36 AM »
there is good and bad in positioning ur mids in kick and a pillar ..
ask ur self what do u want ?
a pillar = higher stage,
kick = depth , centre image
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Re: Midrange positioning
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2006, 10:57:05 PM »
Quote from: louis on October 20, 2006, 01:25:36 AM
there is good and bad in positioning ur mids in kick and a pillar ..
ask ur self what do u want ?
a pillar = higher stage,
kick = depth , centre image

That's why most people would actually refer A-pilar tweeter/midrange install as "driver oriented" and kick panel installs as "front passengers oriented" :D
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Re: Midrange positioning
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2006, 11:24:07 PM »
in my previous setup, installing mids at the dash doesnt really lose out on depth either ....

prolly the kick may have higher depth, but the depth is a lower stage depth ... hehehehe .....

well, u cant have everything can you, most of the rest can be based on car ergonomics ....
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