Topic: ta tuning

[sahrilmd]

hello all

car : satria

For ur info im running  passive

be4 this im using 9813, ta was tuned at 1.2 for FR nd the vocal is right on the middle of the air cond blower (amp gain set at 9 oclock). Then, changed to 9835 and found that the voice is not in the middle (a little bit right side), when i changed my FR to 1.4 the vocal is ok.. but i found that the sub bass is on the left side.. can u guys xplain...n tell me what should i do


Subwoofer placement is on the right side ( ta tuning set at SR 1.5)

[panzer]

As your subs are the slowest frequencies to arrive, I'd suggest you put your sub TA back to 0.0. Then put both your L & R chanal TA setting to 0.0.

Just tune your left chanel TA till your kick drums starts kicking from the middle botton of your dash, then tune your right chanel TA to follow until the vocal is in the middle of windscreen.

Then use your high and low pass to best match your subs to your component set.

Happy tuning.

[wengweng]

Sifu panzer, just want to ask why TA the left channel with kickdrum and right channel with vocal ? When TA the right channel with vocal, wouldn't the kickdrum TA be affected as well ? A bit confused on the technic, can explain further ? Thanks man !

[panzer]

WW, the idea here is to align your subs at the back to meet your comps in front. Hence, with a song you are familliar and have strong kick drum beats, makes this task easier. As the L chanel in front is the furthest away from you(the driver), we takle that channel first.

Once your sub is aligned to your left chanel, you can certainly feel a very strong kick drum response at the T area bottom between dash and center console. Some platforms may require you to treat the T area with sound dampening first before achieving the kick drum effect.

Lastly, u tune the R chanel TA till the vocals(you'll need to use a familliar vocal track for this) meets up with the left chanel in the middle to form a center image. At this point the center image should sound distictively solid with the other musical instruments pan around and behind the vocals. The center image focus, or some say mouth size, big or small, can be further achived by either fine tuning your x-over points or the T/A in 0.1ms intervals.

This method is unorthordox, but after playing with TA for many years, I've found it to be the easiest, in a sense that you do not need to read the Alpine manual. 

I suggest you try it, and can provide some feed back.

For active systems, things get a little more complicated.

   

[built]

sharil,
i am using an alpine with TA feature as well, but does not use it. may i ask you
a couple of questions?

1. in your previous set up (9813), are all the images spot-on centre for all your cds?
2. has tonal quality become better after TA?

thanks.

panzer,
i have yet to see a good singer with small mouth... 

[sahrilmd]

sharil,
i am using an alpine with TA feature as well, but does not use it. may i ask you
a couple of questions?

1. in your previous set up (9813), are all the images spot-on centre for all your cds?
2. has tonal quality become better after TA?

thanks.

panzer,
i have yet to see a good singer with small mouth... 

1. almost...some are not
2. for me, not really, but sometimes need to be centered and feel good. now im confused, which want i should go to ...tonality or ta. after all im not good in tuning.

must read again n again, learn n understand what the gurus xplain

[panzer]

Built,

Most singers, in the laws of "Feng Shui", cannot have small mouth! Singing profession requires use of mouth, so to speak in cantonese "Khaw how wan sec"

I can think of another profession where size of mouth matters, but shall refrain from doing so. Lisa De Inn anyone?

[built]

sharil,
once upon a time a great guru did this to my alpine when i just
bought it. hope it work for you too. you can try this...
F-R around 1.1 plus minus, F-L around 2.3 plus minus. others, 0.0....
do let us know the out come. is it better than just tweaking with F-R?

[wengweng]

thanks man ! Will try that and hear the effect. That's a very good procedure !

Shahril, some people prefers DSP to overcome the hostile car environment, but some prefers not to use them as they have good installation and tuning skills. At the end of the day, SQ is very much personal preference. Do whatever method that suits your needs at that point in time. When you progress, you may find your tuning method change as well.

[sahrilmd]

built thanks man, i will let u know..be 4 this i just let the fl at 0.0

ww, ur seems right man..


thanks to panzer too


can anyone else share their tuning here ...

[built]

sharil,
please share with us your setup and what is your
tuning sequence for EQ, x-cross overs and TA?

thanks.

[sahrilmd]

when i did fr 1.1 plus minus .01  and fl 2.3 , i found the music is exactly on the driver site..great ! but i found that there is some space in from area especially in the left side not fill with music...


then i change back to what i've done

for u info..


xo-  front 63 hz , sub - 63 hz ..both slope at 24 db/octave (smiliar like others)  both running at 0 db,


eq..if i remember 20 hz at +1db, 63 hz at 0 db, 315hz at 0 or -1 db, 3.2khz at -3 db n 8khz at -2b

[built]

when i did fr 1.1 plus minus .01  and fl 2.3 , i found the music is exactly on the driver site..great ! but i found that there is some space in from area especially in the left side not fill with music... then i change back to what i've done

fren,
we always tune to get the best on the driver side isn't it? 

[sahrilmd]

yup....ill try at least 6 hours...

thanks for ur advice

[panzer]

when i did fr 1.1 plus minus .01  and fl 2.3 , i found the music is exactly on the driver site..great ! but i found that there is some space in from area especially in the left side not fill with music...


then i change back to what i've done

for u info..


xo-  front 63 hz , sub - 63 hz ..both slope at 24 db/octave (smiliar like others)  both running at 0 db,


Looks like you've got your TA theory reversed!

You should have your FR chanel delayed more the your FL chanel. No wonder you are still getting singer on driver's side.

Your FR chanel is closer to you, compared to FL chanel. So you must delay the chanel closer to you more in oreder to compensate arrival time to your ears. I hope you can understand what I am trying to say.

eq..if i remember 20 hz at +1db, 63 hz at 0 db, 315hz at 0 or -1 db, 3.2khz at -3 db n 8khz at -2b