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Scan 23W
« on: December 16, 2006, 09:16:09 PM »
I am planning on a Scan 6000/12M/18W/23W system. I notice a lot of forumers here use 23W. Based on your expereices, is one 23W sufficient enough or do I need to do 2x23W? My monoblock amp will be an Audison LRx 1.1k which is rated at 420w @ 4 Ohm and 800w @ 2 Ohm.
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2006, 10:02:04 PM »
1 is yummy, 2 is yummy yum yum and you'll get plenty of  /92
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2006, 11:07:25 PM »
sqgator, have merged both ur topic here ...
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2006, 11:19:30 PM »
what car u're driving

to me....if u're driving small car or hatchback...1 is enuf
if u're driving a normal sedan, 1 unit + 1 passive would be good
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2006, 12:55:35 AM »
Hmmmm. I am driving a SUV. Not really a sedan or small car.
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2006, 01:28:53 AM »
Quote from: sqgator on December 17, 2006, 12:55:35 AM
Hmmmm. I am driving a SUV. Not really a sedan or small car.

sqgator,

One is enough. But if you find it not satisfying enough.... then add one more.  /92 /92 /78 /78

BTW, where are you from?
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2006, 01:31:36 AM »
Quote from: sqgator on December 17, 2006, 12:55:35 AM
Hmmmm. I am driving a SUV. Not really a sedan or small car.
i believe 1 is enough

get a good control amp for it....
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2006, 01:42:19 AM »
Thanks guys!!! My installer keeps telling me that one  23W is enough. Who knows, I may put a  JL 12W6 rather than 23W. Anyone here has experience with both 23W and 12W6?
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2006, 01:45:31 AM »
Quote from: calvinhpk on December 17, 2006, 01:31:36 AM
i believe 1 is enough

get a good control amp for it....

yup. agree with calvin. sqgator, do drop by our tt if you're from Penang or nearby.
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2006, 03:33:14 PM »
Quote from: sqgator on December 17, 2006, 01:42:19 AM
Thanks guys!!! My installer keeps telling me that one  23W is enough. Who knows, I may put a  JL 12W6 rather than 23W. Anyone here has experience with both 23W and 12W6?
W6....no experience with it, but W7...yes.

W7 is very good...but not my type.... 23W is the best sub i've ever listened....but not mine...  /99 /99
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2006, 06:27:44 PM »
I you like to play loud, you need at least 1 active + passive.. /77 
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2006, 07:33:54 PM »
Quote from: calvinhpk on December 17, 2006, 03:33:14 PM

.... 23W is the best sub i've ever listened....but not mine...  /99 /99

But I thought you are using 23W.....or you means someone else 23W is much nicer? better box or better amp? I would think a good clean monoblock with 400w at 4 ohm is sufficient since it's rated at 225w at 4 ohm. 23W is one little "pit bull".
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2006, 07:36:11 PM »
Quote from: iceless on December 17, 2006, 01:45:31 AM
yup. agree with calvin. sqgator, do drop by our tt if you're from Penang or nearby.

Thanks for the invite, but I am far from there!!!
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2006, 09:05:28 PM »
Quote from: sqgator on December 17, 2006, 07:33:54 PM
But I thought you are using 23W.....or you means someone else 23W is much nicer? better box or better amp? I would think a good clean monoblock with 400w at 4 ohm is sufficient since it's rated at 225w at 4 ohm. 23W is one little "pit bull".

He is just being humble......Its our culture here...

spgator, where are you from ?
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2006, 09:00:56 PM »
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2006, 07:42:17 PM »
any sifoo knows what is the recommended seal box size for a 23W? 
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2006, 10:41:55 PM »
try around 1.1cuft
i'm using 0.9 cuft...think bigger will be better...but...dunno lei.....juz guess
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2006, 09:46:22 AM »
Calvin, what r u powering the 23w with?
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2006, 02:49:45 PM »
Calvin has no amp now. hehehe!
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2006, 04:08:00 PM »
I'm using 0.4-0.5 box. Low end no good. Last time we calculated around 1.1 ft2 gives Qtc of 0.707
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2006, 05:59:43 PM »
weng weng sifu.. ur sub is located in the front of the car rite?
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2006, 06:45:06 PM »
Quote from: wengweng on December 20, 2006, 04:08:00 PM
I'm using 0.4-0.5 box. Low end no good. Last time we calculated around 1.1 ft2 gives Qtc of 0.707

I'm running the 23W with 1.1cuft..... yes... the low extension is definitely YUMMY  /62 /62 /66 /66 /72 /72 /77 /77
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2006, 06:59:01 PM »
yeah, my sub is in front. Can hear many things.....hehehehe

Agree with iceless, build the box properly, I'm sure you would love it ! I no time to rebuild the box....
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2006, 11:05:57 AM »
how come temppei's one in a 0.6cu ft low end is quite good..?  wengweng your box full 3/4" mdf or fibreglassed..? maybe not solid enuff...?
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2006, 12:18:53 PM »
maybe the influence of a passive?
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2006, 10:05:06 AM »
my box is mostly 0.6" mdf with the curves patch up with FG. And internally covered with 2 layer of material (dont know what also :D). I think it is too small a box. And netken is right too, the passive also is an influence

Kena poison by temppei and kepong ahbee's sub on tuesday night and immediately next morning while going to work, detour to ACP to increase the size of the box to 0.7-0.8. Still tuning now but sounds promising now hahaha
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2006, 07:57:08 PM »
wow when can audit ???? /77 /77
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2006, 01:30:06 PM »
Does the 23W Rassive Radiator really improve the sub-bass dramatically?
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2006, 12:02:00 AM »
sqgator,
for the lower end sub bass, I think the 23W with passive radiator does better ! And the sub I listen to is also powered by McIntosh with lots of control too
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2006, 12:03:45 AM »
Quote from: francis234 on December 22, 2006, 07:57:08 PM
wow when can audit ???? /77 /77

When finish tuning loh......
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2006, 12:47:02 PM »
Thanks guys. I finally settled with full Scan set-up of 6000/12M/18W/23W. Should be up and running in a couple of weeks time.
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2006, 02:14:30 PM »
Just curious, why not ring radiator tweeter ?

And also just curious, what is your HU and amps ?

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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2006, 12:13:07 AM »
Can anyone post some picture scan 23w sub with passive radiator??
very interesting....Thanks!! /92 /92
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2006, 09:45:30 AM »
Quote from: wengweng on December 24, 2006, 02:14:30 PM
Just curious, why not ring radiator tweeter ?

And also just curious, what is your HU and amps ?



2904/7100 or 7000 tweeters (actually I prefer 3004/6600) are just too big as my 12M will be on A-pillar too. And I read great comments on the 6000 from a few owners...but it's internet talks..I know..

HU: P90 combo
Amps: Audison LRx 2.4/4.5/1.1k

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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2006, 04:22:59 PM »
spgator, I am running the 600000 in my car now. IMO, it is one of the best small format tweeter money can buy.

But there are a few people running the 700000 here. I would say the 600000 is no match with the 700000, in all aspect (details, airyness, refineness, extensions etc). Every time I sat in their cars, I notice the difference. It is not that 600000 is not good. Its just that the 700000 is too good....
 
Anyhow, try it out first and see whether you are happy with 600000. Everybody has its own taste.

Welcome to the scanspeak club !  /134
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #35 on: December 26, 2006, 10:25:02 AM »
Wengweng, Any big difference between 7100 and 6000?
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2006, 10:39:22 AM »
I think only louis' car is running the 7100 here. I would opt for 7100 over 6000 if space is not a problem. But if money if no object, I think I would get the 7000 instead. Its the last bit "Tiiiiing" extension from the triangle that separate the two great tweeter. As to whether it is worth it, that's to his own hehehehe

Try out the 6000 first lah, upgrading is part of the fun mah...
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2006, 11:53:38 AM »
600000 still on my heart  /110  /92  /146

my ears not in that league to hear 700000... :P
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2006, 12:44:49 PM »
if anyone wanna sell their 6000, i'm all ears ... hehehhehe....  /65 /65
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2006, 04:35:25 PM »
Quote from: jeffreyocw on December 25, 2006, 12:13:07 AM
Can anyone post some picture scan 23w sub with passive radiator??
very interesting....Thanks!! /92 /92

Jeff, I dont have my sifu temppei's sub picture leh. Its just like 2 subs in 1 normal box loh. As I know, there are 2 more cars changing to this sub with passive. Stay tune man.....
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2006, 08:40:56 PM »
Quote from: wengweng on December 27, 2006, 04:35:25 PM
Jeff, I dont have my sifu temppei's sub picture leh. Its just like 2 subs in 1 normal box loh. As I know, there are 2 more cars changing to this sub with passive. Stay tune man.....

Thanks Bro Weng2
Then need to wait sifu Temppei post up picture liao.... /160 /160
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Re: Scan 23W
« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2007, 06:19:00 PM »
My 23W box is 0.6 cu.ft
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