Topic: Installing Sound Dampening

[Audiophiliac]

Been a while out for the game, now intend to get back in..

Nowadays how much (RM) average (Ball Park Figure) for installer to install Dampening Material as follows

Dynamat Extreme, Use the whole Box to install for 2 layers front Doors, 1 layer rear door, 1 Layer Trunk Area and other critical area if there are still left over of material available available

Appreciate the input, as I am preparing the budget...

[zac]

Been a while out for the game, now intend to get back in..

Nowadays how much (RM) average (Ball Park Figure) for installer to install Dampening Material as follows

Dynamat Extreme, Use the whole Box to install for 2 layers front Doors, 1 layer rear door, 1 Layer Trunk Area and other critical area if there are still left over of material available available

Appreciate the input, as I am preparing the budget...

you can focus more on front door like layer, not useful for rear door unless u do install speaker there... balance apply on boot...
anyway, i hv no idea how much for a box of dynamat... 

[Audiophiliac]

Thanks Zac dude for the advice, yup this set up would not utilize rear speaker application and not even install subwoofer. This would be wife's car, only front component speaker applied.

I kind of know how much a box of dynamat extreme cost, I need to know the cost to install those dynamats or other better equivalent price of damping material.

[finalazy84]

bought mine last year 900...means 100 each...inside got 9. but this is sabah price. I think peninsular cheaper.
btw y do u need to put on the boot if there is not sub?means u need for the front door only la.

[Audiophiliac]

Thanks Finalazy dude,

I think eventhough we are only installing front speakers, but I guess we should install at other area too to some extend as to dampen those vehicle structure too as to keep the sound of music inside the vehicle while absorbing excessive sound generated rather than keep hitting metallic structure around which create echoes, and also to prevent outside noise from coming into the vehicle which will create noise and also to reduce/eliminate rattle from mechanical movement euther intended or not intended.

By the way, you are right also if we questioning whether the impact (I means installing at other structure) is worth the effort and cost,. This need further experimentation.

With all due respect, again I know what is the cost the material, what I am asking the cost for us to pay the installer (labor charges) to install those material ?

[finalazy84]

owh...tat case, u need other stuff than dynamat extreme.
I diy myself on the front door n boot only.m so cheapskate tats y diy  dont want to try diy?

[Audiophiliac]

I did try to DIY on myb last install on front door and boot, the result not so very good; I guess I do not have enough DIY passion, just to get it done..learn my weaknesses so this time I ratehr let the pros do it..

What other material that you recommend, heard a lot of items beside dynamat, such as sika, wurth, brown bread/b-quiet but not sure which one suitable, only have tried dynamat extreme.

[krayden]

STP is gaining popularity nowadays. STP Gold being slightly thicker than Dyna Extreme (a bit more expensive).

[zac]

I did try to DIY on myb last install on front door and boot, the result not so very good; I guess I do not have enough DIY passion, just to get it done..learn my weaknesses so this time I ratehr let the pros do it..

What other material that you recommend, heard a lot of items beside dynamat, such as sika, wurth, brown bread/b-quiet but not sure which one suitable, only have tried dynamat extreme.

how much for a box of dynamat though?? 
For the pro work, normally it costs rm1k for Front left 3 layers + right 3 layers (different type of material to compensate each other) and takes around 4hrs...

I like the neat and tidy finish...

[izso]

Personally I think the competitor brands have improved leaps and bounds since the old days of Dynamat Xtreme dominating the market.

- Brown bread is removable + restickable and around the same price as Xtreme so I'd give that a consideration.
- STP (dunno which model) is lighter than Xtreme so it won't weigh down the car too much
 
There are a few other brands I cannot recall the names of that are as good as cheaper than Xtreme. May want to consider those. Having said that - I forgot (again) the name of the brand that KFAudio is fond of using, that particular one has gone up in price compared to the others. Strange.

[mnkh27]

izso, lose some weight and car dampening won't seem that heavy anymore. kekeke. *cabutz* 

[rbl84]

stp ftw!! 

[craziechild]

wruth?

seldom heard people talking about this brand here... but seems to have a certain level of "popularity-in-a-good-way". :)

[finalazy84]

I did try to DIY on myb last install on front door and boot, the result not so very good; I guess I do not have enough DIY passion, just to get it done..learn my weaknesses so this time I ratehr let the pros do it..

What other material that you recommend, heard a lot of items beside dynamat, such as sika, wurth, brown bread/b-quiet but not sure which one suitable, only have tried dynamat extreme.

do it slowly la...do 1 door first...then 2nd one.I think u shud have some exp from ur previous diy...n do some research first b4 diy.
btw, dynamat extreme is removable...use plastic ruler... 

in the process of redoing  my sound deadening 

[Audiophiliac]

STP is gaining popularity nowadays. STP Gold being slightly thicker than Dyna Extreme (a bit more expensive).

Where to get STP over here ?

[Audiophiliac]

Final Lazy

That was such a great DIY install you have here. Do you have to use heat blower to install or just press it on ? do you use roller ?
Me to DIY, probably I'll do it, we'll see but for now i am more incline to have pro to do it or perhaps both of us can have some arrangement to install for my car, how about that...

looking at work i am almost certain I will not regret it.

Craziechild

Wurth (german's origin) mainly being used for aerostructure parts sound dampening, airbus industrie used wurth material and sealant as sound barrier/dampening for air tight doors in their aircraft, but they application is some kind of different, the material is some kind of liquefied foam and cured by control heat inducing process but in some some application they are cured by direct heat application.

I don't know a lot, but I just want to share another type of sound dampening use for aircraft builder is perforated panel. Perforation is a process whereby a very tiny (micron level - like needle) hundred of thousand probably millions holes in certain patterns, made on certain aircraft parts, especially parts that are located between passenger location in the fuselage area that are closed to the wing (which means closed linearly with aircraft jet engine), without those panels for Jet engine, passenegr might have to wear industrial ear muff all the way  since the sound of jet engine can be up to 100 db ++ all time for passenger at this location. I guess this is application is one of the best sound barrier to filter noise. This application also can be seen for room treatment for Home audio but the holes is not that small and many and no patterns only scattered evenly the whole size of that acoustics panels.

Iszo

yes I think I will consider brown bread, but do brown bread still available, heard it is already being debadge as Bquiet,

[finalazy84]

if sound proof is wat u want then, no need to focus too much on deadening la.hehe
btw, i dont use heatgun n roller.dynamat extreme is very soft n can stick well..I use screwdriver n lighter to press it...but it is too tiring n time consume.if got roller then better la...hehe u cannot put the whole piece on the surface n then give preasure on it.do it part by part or press from 1 direction to prevent air bubble.same concept like u stick big sticker or sellotape.
if ur palce got pro installer then just go for it.just prepare the $ lor 
my place dont have reliable shop...so I have no choice to diy.even fiber oso I diy.

[rbl84]

i still left many STP silver interested let me know...by the way u in Miri now?

[Audiophiliac]

rbl

Yeap currently in Miri, but my assignment in Miri probably over by end september or latest end of this year. Hopefully we can meet up before I go back to semenanjung.

[hksp]

RAAMmat BXT

[izso]

Bugger you Mike 

Audiophiliac : Brownbread has been rebadged? Oh.. I've no idea.

Finalazy : Dynamat Extreme can remove meh? Remove already cannot stick back like Brownbread la. My xtreme habis already ever since my window mechanism rosak and I had to remove / cut the xtreme.

[Zenn]

the one easy to take out and put back is Sika

long time ago when i used brown bread, 2003 also cannot stick back, maybe diff model...

[mnkh27]

i have STP silver/gold/bimast, Sika and Dynamat Xtreme (stickiest but dirtiest to work with, on the hands and floor) if anybody wants.

[izso]

i have STP silver/gold/bimast, Sika and Dynamat Xtreme (stickiest but dirtiest to work with, on the hands and floor) if anybody wants.

PM price of your STP pls. Easy to diy work with?

[mnkh27]

PM price of your STP pls. Easy to diy work with?

regardless of brands used, you should get a roller in hand. dynamat is sticky but i find it harder to hold if it's a big piece since it's softer. STP Gold gets my vote for now. :D

[finalazy84]

izso: hmmm...I wonder y I can remove n reuse it again.I use the plastic ruler to remove.u know as u peal it, the black thing is like tat hot pizza cheese?use the ruler to slice it instead of pressing towards it like paint scraper. use cutter also can.

[taaron]

regardless of brands used, you should get a roller in hand. dynamat is sticky but i find it harder to hold if it's a big piece since it's softer. STP Gold gets my vote for now. :D

mike, as for STP Gold and Dynamat Extreme, what do you think in terms of pure performance only? I haven't got the chance to try Dynamat Extreme yet, not sure how it performs against STP Gold. I have planned to do the floor and roof car interior, still in planning progress.. What about STP Bomb?? Much better than those 2 mentioned earlier  ?? just don't want to regret later, get it installed and forget it forever..

[mnkh27]

mike, as for STP Gold and Dynamat Extreme, what do you think in terms of pure performance only? I haven't got the chance to try Dynamat Extreme yet, not sure how it performs against STP Gold. I have planned to do the floor and roof car interior, still in planning progress.. What about STP Bomb?? Much better than those 2 mentioned earlier  ?? just don't want to regret later, get it installed and forget it forever..

are you looking at sound damping or vibration damping? both does not really insulate or absorb sound. STP Gold and Dynamat Xtreme is both good but I feel Gold edges it. Xtreme looks nicer, since the STP logo and yellow color (Gold) may not be as pretty. LOL.

[taaron]

are you looking at sound damping or vibration damping? both does not really insulate or absorb sound. STP Gold and Dynamat Xtreme is both good but I feel Gold edges it. Xtreme looks nicer, since the STP logo and yellow color (Gold) may not be as pretty. LOL.

i guess both sound & vibration damping?? There's a slight little rattle around the roof area near sun visor, not at all times but intermittent when sub bass kicks in at certain frequency. As for my floor (double carpets), could feel vibration when sub bass kicks in.

What's the ulti setup for roof and floor interior? May anyone recommend a combo of products for the areas I've mentioned? I usually see 1st layer as deadening material, 2nd layer and so on as MLV/CCF materials..

[mnkh27]

i guess both sound & vibration damping?? There's a slight little rattle around the roof area near sun visor, not at all times but intermittent when sub bass kicks in at certain frequency. As for my floor (double carpets), could feel vibration when sub bass kicks in.

What's the ulti setup for roof and floor interior? May anyone recommend a combo of products for the areas I've mentioned? I usually see 1st layer as deadening material, 2nd layer and so on as MLV/CCF materials..

The ultimate setup will cost mid thousands up to 5 figures, I am kidding you not. If you DIY it will save you lots but take you a week or so. Best to get 2 or 3 friends to help you out. Lots of
 patience is required too, if not the materials go to waste if not maximized in usage and application.

[howiechoo]

taaron, how's ur door performance now?

[finalazy84]

hi all sifu... need some clarification on sound deadening

most of the car acc here, when doing sound deadening, they'll use heat gun (no mater wat brand of sound deadening) n roller.
the thing is, they'll press the roller so hard till it got thin.I can see lots of bitumen being pressed away from all sides n they'll throw it away so it looks clean...

wat comes in my mind is, do they need to press that hard? the deadening material is the bitumen rite?as long as theres no air bubbles then its fine dy...

correct me if I'm wrong 

[mnkh27]

yes rolling should be done merely to remove the air bubbles and not make it flat as a pancake.

as long as air pockets are removed and material adheres well to the metal surface, that should be it. making it too flat or removing any bituminous/asphalt renders it less effective. extra work but less results.

[zac]

hi all sifu... need some clarification on sound deadening

most of the car acc here, when doing sound deadening, they'll use heat gun (no mater wat brand of sound deadening) n roller.
the thing is, they'll press the roller so hard till it got thin.I can see lots of bitumen being pressed away from all sides n they'll throw it away so it looks clean...

wat comes in my mind is, do they need to press that hard? the deadening material is the bitumen rite?as long as theres no air bubbles then its fine dy...

correct me if I'm wrong 

certain spec needs heat gun...
press too hard till lots of bitumen came out? what brand?
normally well-known brand will only leak out little bit even press hard.
quality and density of bitumen does matter...

[taaron]

taaron, how's ur door performance now?

the STP bomb is really great..overall performance i am satisfied but not sure how good if compared to other car makes with good solid chassis foundation..however, there's a little rattle on the plastic door panel on certain frequency, not sure if that frequency is on peak which needs eq cut, or maybe my door panel need to be relook at..if i remove my door panels and let my ice setup play, it is perfect..

another question, since my current front doors are treated with combination of STP Bomb and STP Gold for damping purpose, will it be better if 100% use STP Bomb only??

[taaron]

found some installation tips from StP web http://www.stp-atlantic.com/installation_tips/..

[howiechoo]

not necessary to use all bomb..it will kill your pocket.....the guide you shown are good enuff..provided you also got do the brace we discuss earlier.

-your door panel may need some extra adhesive to stick them together, it's made by a few pieces of panel, stick them well and i think your rattle sound will be solve :P