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ICE Lies: Something worth debating over!!
« on: November 28, 2006, 03:56:20 PM »
OK Folks!!! This is it!!









OK now, I know this has been discussed in several forums all over, but for the benefit of those who are still new to the poisonous addiction of high fidelity, let's have a friendly debate and give out inputs over the 10 issues brought up by the author.

I'm segregating them to 10 threads posted in their respective sub-forums for easy search and a more organised discussion.

ICE Lie#1: The Cable Lie  (  http://www.icehifi.com/index.php/topic,290.0.html )

ICE Lie#2: The Vacumm Tube Lie (http://www.icehifi.com/index.php/topic,291.0.html )

ICE Lie#3: The Anti Digital Lie (http://www.icehifi.com/index.php/topic,292.0.html )

ICE Lie#4: The Listening Test Lie (http://www.icehifi.com/index.php/topic,293.0.html )

ICE Lie#5: The Feedback Lie (  http://www.icehifi.com/index.php/topic,294.0.html )

ICE Lie#6: The Burn-in Lie (http://www.icehifi.com/index.php/topic,295.0.html )

ICE Lie#7: The Biwiring Lie ( http://www.icehifi.com/index.php/topic,296.0.html )

ICE Lie#8: The Power Conditioner Lie ( http://www.icehifi.com/index.php/topic,297.0.html )

ICE Lie#9: The CD Treatment Lie ( http://www.icehifi.com/index.php/topic,298.0.html )

ICE Lie#10: The Golden Ear Lie ( http://www.icehifi.com/index.php/topic,299.0.html )
 
OK Folks!!.. Let's JAM!!!  /85 /85
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Re: ICE Lies: Something worth debating over!!
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2006, 03:57:27 PM »
i confess for 1, 2, 3, 6 and 8 .... guilty of the 1st degree ...

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Re: ICE Lies: Something worth debating over!!
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2006, 10:27:35 PM »
Hm... is it just me? Or the pictures are kinda too compressed to make out what's showing?
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Re: ICE Lies: Something worth debating over!!
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2006, 12:14:52 AM »
bro,among your list put in no.9 also..... /110

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Re: ICE Lies: Something worth debating over!!
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2006, 03:14:16 AM »
hehehe .... imo i think the author is either .... a damn convincing liar

or .... his ears are severely defective thus deprieving him the
luxury of musical pleasure , the gift of nature .

if you can hear the difference .... why bother about one who can't ?

nobody is born perfect .... some , it is just the ears !!

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Re: ICE Lies: Something worth debating over!!
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2006, 09:20:03 AM »
Strongly agree!  /110

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Re: ICE Lies: Something worth debating over!!
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2006, 10:43:32 AM »
Liar liar pants on fire... /78 Don't wanna confess le...just want to enjoy the music... /64
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Re: ICE Lies: Something worth debating over!!
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2006, 11:10:22 AM »
The critician writer seems to believe the man-made testing equipment more than his god-made ears.  /152

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Re: ICE Lies: Something worth debating over!!
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2006, 11:13:25 AM »
It's a problem when one person's opinions becomes hearsay  /87

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Re: ICE Lies: Something worth debating over!!
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2006, 11:36:09 AM »
It's a problem when one person's opinions becomes hearsay  /87

kekeke ... such as all cables are the same?? or a watt is a watt .... *cabutz ...   /94

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Re: ICE Lies: Something worth debating over!!
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2006, 11:40:26 AM »
and a gurl is a gurl.. all also got lubang. *Lari*

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Re: ICE Lies: Something worth debating over!!
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2006, 12:09:21 PM »
can be downloaded at http://sonido.uchile.cl/articulos/tenbiggestliesaudio.pdf

Hi Folks....

There is an attachmend at the bottom of the first post. If you find the picture file blur, you can download the pdf file.

Regards,

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Re: ICE Lies: Something worth debating over!!
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2006, 12:41:43 PM »
and a gurl is a gurl.. all also got lubang. *Lari*

What about all amps with the same measurements sound da same?  /01

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Re: ICE Lies: Something worth debating over!!
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2006, 10:13:51 AM »
I would say its like an Audio myth. And sometimes its just been added with salt and pepper and sometimes it has some truth behind it.

I recalled the myth of 10" plays faster and 15" plays sloppy bass.

The myth
A 10" would play faster bass than a 15". A 15" will never catch up with the 10" in terms of fast beat. Thats why less ppl uses 15". A 12" is consider middle of the road application.

Behind the myth
Many many years ago...... in audio industry, audio and especially car audio is a very expensive hobbby for the rich only. Manufacturers trying to save cost built one motor to fits all. They will design a motor for 12" and built a 10", 12" and 15" even 18" sub from the same motor.

The truth
Now in audio industry, manufacturer would built motor for each sizes. In fact Adire Audio has written a white papper on this "Woofer Speed" quoting that fast subs are non accurate sub. They just cannot keep up.

The result
You can judge yourself, just like cables or amps.

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Re: ICE Lies: Something worth debating over!!
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2009, 01:52:00 PM »
the most of all i would say is day bright scam is the CD treatment...