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First of all, i'm not shareholder of any accs shop :wink:, i'm just a greenhorn who loves ice, so i used to visit accs and audio shop nearby, chit chat with owner/tuner, sharing my problem with them. To my surprise, most of the accs are kinda ignorant in audio tech, you will see all kind of funky stuff like p80+preamp, D2+ bit one processor, P90 running passive so on so forth...

Then definately, i was misleading and suffered certain monetary loss, but most of all loss of time & effort, I must be grateful that my previous mechs are really kind, they didn't slash me at all, but too bad, they can't provide what i want... So in my own conclusion, there are
3 kinds of bad merchant:
a) know shit in audio but act like he is the only master in the world and charge sky high :angry:
b) same as above but they dont charge that much :cheesy:
c) familiar in SQ and charge sky high :cheesy:

Then
2 kinds of good merchant:
a) still know shit in audio but they never bullshit, only do the things they know and charge fairly :sad:
b) Fair pricing and familiar in SQ :laugh:

In my years of searching, there's only so limited audio shop able to fulfil my requirement, in fact... less than 5 :cry:

So some tips for SQ kaki:
Before you decided to invest in your audio, make sure you hv done enough research, so you know what your mech doing. :yes:
Even if he charged you little, but your gear could be totally wasted... it could be better  :no:
Dont overjoy if your mech shows you super ex bill, you could be fooled by category 1a  :devilsidesmile:, the worst case scenario 
you might also being misled to assume this is the best result you can only get  :cry: :cry: :cry: which is totally not true
The key point is A good mech, will not stop you from watching/observing/asking/sharing/obtaining/learning Audio knowledge. So you know how to spend wisely... Only a bad mech will hope you are idiot, so you keep on supplying him money...
So next time, if you find that your mech always pusing pusing, maybe its time to seek for second opinion


If you happened to encounter the following situations/statements:
-- You can't get staging or imaging in car therefore you can only go for tonality
A: Its because he dunno what's active, and normally person who said so, don't know what is tonality...

-- Active can't give you good tonality as passive
A: Wrong, its all boils down to tuning regardless active or passive, its just that for active, you are setting frequency/slope in processor and passive kaki  hv to change a suitable coil/resistor/cap. And to be honest whether you are using active processor or passive xover, the frequency setting are normally the same in same car, because they all facing the same cancellation issue.

-- Active setup will destroy your speaker
A: Wrong tuning destroy your speaker, not processor, processor only do what you told him to...

-- The original passive crossover is good enough
A: Wrong!! original passive xover have to cover so many kind of cars, and the interior of sedan/mpv/suv/hatchback is so different, so original setting is more like a universal tuning, suits for all car but not carrying out the best performance. So a customise/modded passive xover is needed, but replacing same value parts with high quality parts ain't tuning, even the dumb know how to take out and solder back the part. The tuning is about changing the original frequency setting to solve the cancellation issues in car.

-- Cheap gear (entry level stuff ) can't give you good result
A: Wrong, with proper tuning and installation, you still able to get a good staging and achieve certain level of SQ tonality even you using low-end hu, china made amp/speaker/cable & etc. The problem lies with tuner/installer skill, not hardware. So don't blame the stuff, blame your tuner.

-- Sound of competition car its not nice because it's meant for competition not daily drive
A: Super wrong!! The judges ain't stupid, just because the so called "competition sound" tuned by the particular person is not good, doesn't mean the "competition sound" is not good... so you must listen to believe.

-- 5-band EQ not enough, please buy another processor which have 31-band to match this HU (D2's tragedy :cry:)
A: Super Wrong!! The R&D people ain't stupid, no one will sell a product full of flaws. A properly installed system with correct sound deadening, angle & enclosure space, even in a lousy car like proton wira, you will only facing peak or cancellation issue in less than 5 band, if your RTA shows more than 5, then trust me, problem lies with installer.

-- RTA machine cannot be used for reference
A: Wrong!! It can definitely be used for reference and its a must for thorough tuning. Normally the tuner who says so dunno how to operate one or to be exact, dunno how to interpret whats RTA trying to say.

(to be continued) /77








« Last Edit: May 23, 2011, 12:20:37 AM by zac »
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Re: Photo Sharing by Famous Audio (JB)
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2011, 10:16:32 PM »



Perodua Myvi (Demo Car of Flux)
Using top rank flux 3way set, and Flux Amplifier, P90 Hu



Suzuki Swift, D2+Flux 3way+Genesis amp & woofer



nice vios door panel

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Re: Photo Sharing by Famous Audio (JB)
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2011, 11:44:03 PM »
cant see anything...
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Re: Photo Sharing by Famous Audio (JB)
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2011, 12:21:23 AM »
cant see anything...

really?? but i can see the pic from my computer... /24
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More pic...
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2011, 12:33:42 AM »




Honda Accord + Hertz 3way + alpine 7990+701 + PHD AF Sub





Nissan Cefiro + Musee 3way + Alpine 7990+701 + Diamond Sub







Very cheap setup but good sounding... P80 + Vibe/Domination 3way
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Worst Case Scenario: Owner seeked help...
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2011, 12:49:05 AM »














Sharing some worst case scenario:
Owner had his setup done in Singapore, P90 running active + Focal BE 3way + Brax Amp
Then he got temp transferred for 6 months in KL
Then he go for one reputable shop for further advice
Then the tuner said active sucks, change to passive (yes, with P90)
Then the tuner said BE speaker sucks, die die change the tweeter
Then the tuner said BRAX amp no power, insisting owner change to a unknown brand that only the shop itself selling
(luckily the tragedy stops here......)
I have audited this car, its sound like shit, even worse than oem car audio
Btw, the so called passive xover for midbass & mid +  one pair tweeter +   shit tuning = RM6k (refer pic above)
Look at the workmanship of the soundproof... sigh  :cry: :cry: :cry: its not proper sealed and using wrong material to create more sound rather than killing unwanted sound.
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aiya...pity him...tats wat happnd if u buy somthing wif no knowldge on wat u bought...
btw, I diy my soundproof better than tat hehe  /62

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thanks for sharing zac - are you from JB ? we need a new mod ....  /65

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thanks for sharing zac - are you from JB ? we need a new mod ....  /65

Yup, i'm willing to try...  :grin:
if im not good enough then degrade back lah...  :cry:
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Yup, i'm willing to try...  :grin:
if im not good enough then degrade back lah...  :cry:

congrats  ....  /24

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Now I can see everything /77....scary lah. Maybe the owner just leave the car and let the installer do everything...thats once very poor SP installation. By the way..what is that car with 6speed manual..VW?
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holy batman - double brax !  :wtf: :wtf: power!!!


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Now I can see everything /77....scary lah. Maybe the owner just leave the car and let the installer do everything...thats once very poor SP installation. By the way..what is that car with 6speed manual..VW?

Subaru Sti /144
Denon DCT-Z1 | Alpine PXA-H800 | Tchernov RCA | 4 x Steg Qmos 310.2x | Van Den Hul CS-122 Hybrid | Scanspeak R3004-12mu-18wu-23w | Customize conditioner for hu & amp with BlackGate capacitor + Pure silver connect

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Re: Photo Sharing by Famous Audio (JB) + Some thoughts of Thread starter^^
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2011, 08:38:18 PM »
any new setup there??
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