Topic: Abuse of Powers : Moderators

[octave]

a moderator with a  deep sense of devotion and commitment is
indeed an admirable person . thus he would be an asset in any board .
despite this , the moderator in the course of discharging his duty ,
may exhibit a little of overzealousness in an effort to manage the forum .
what a pity ... a fair decision can be distorted by the enthusiastic majority
view in the discussion . hehehe ... he is a human , after all . 

at any rate , a minority opinion does not neccessarily be equated as
being an incorrect view . what do I mean ... ?

in the historical context , Copernicus , a polish priest , in 1543 published
a work that placed the sun in the centre of the universe . and 89 years later ,
Galileo Galilee , using contemporary science  proved that Copernicus was right .
unfortunately , his experiment was in direct contrast to the church's view ,
perceived as God's view . understandably , he was unjustly imprisoned as a
consequence of a church sponsored inquisition . in fact , he was denied his right
 do research till his death in 1642 . how unfair can the majority be ... 

with that in mind , i truly admire his steadfastness and his conviction despite
the overwhelming pressure . a weakling would have gladly traded his work for
his freedom without any hesitation .

the modern world has proven ,  beyond any reasonable doubt ,  that the church
was wrong in every aspect of his work . on 31 October 1992 , Pope John Paul II
acknowledged the unfair treatment meted out by the church to Galileo galilee .
as fate has it  , the present pope has commenced the legal process to rehabilitate galileo .

the morale of the story : one may be in a minority view but you may be far ahead
of your time . be as courageous as Galileo inspite of the opposing majority .
 hehehe ... you could be a modern Galileo .

speaking along this line , a moderator is a human being . one is therefore prone to
an abuse of power ( as the church did to galileo ) either  i) to promote an ulterior motive 
or ii) a wrong analysis of a circumstance .

in order to alleviate the power of abuse , I would advocate to establish a code of ethics
for the moderators as :

1.   be fair and honest

2.   be sensitive

3.   be accountable 

a clear guideline would regulate the proper conduct of discussion . it provides
certainty , consistency and transparency ... the hallmark of a new era .    

please feel free to expand on the ethics .           

[zac]

O'rite Mr Octave, maybe you can set up your own audio brand, prepare a competition car and lecturing with fact.
If Galileo did nothing but talk only, then his aspect of work will not be acknowledged.

Maybe you can try set up your own English language center, you really speak good english...
but that doesn't mean you are right on certain thing...
if you wanna be the person ahead of era, well...
do something first bro...

[bafukie]

dun see any power abuse going on?

p/s: try to use some simple english plz.

[krayden]

Dr, first off, your posts never ceases to test the limits of my English lol.
What with your colorful examples and such, it sure is a mouthful.

Back to the topic, I have no idea what drives you to suggest the code of ethics. I suppose you wish to introduce some ground rules in order to facilitate a better environment, in which we may all prosper. I just find myself thinking perhaps you might wanna relate to us the alleged abuse of power, so as we may all learn from past experiences and hopefully correct past mistakes.

As far as the 3 points is concerned, I believe they are positives which we all aspire to, not only to this forum but in life as well. Listing it without addressing the route problem is about as useful as the rukun negara.

I apologize for my poor command of the language due to a lack of tertiary education.

[betaiso]

O'rite Mr Octave, maybe you can set up your own audio brand, prepare a competition car and lecturing with fact.
If Galileo did nothing but talk only, then his aspect of work will not be acknowledged.

Maybe you can try set up your own English language center, you really speak good english...
but that doesn't mean you are right on certain thing...
if you wanna be the person ahead of era, well...
do something first bro...

 

concur with the above post but dare not to type much for fear that the English Police will catch me

[key3hky2]

wow...
demonstration on english proficency thread....
the subject sounds abit misleading.... thought got some dispute going on....

[octave]

thank you ... for all the invaluable comments .
            
i treat all comments , regardless of the writer's 
proficiency in language , as food for thoughts .  
it is  a mistake to disparage another' s proficiency 
in language as it does not reflect the intellectual 
capacity for reasoning of the person .

some are born talented orators , not writers
while some are gifted writers , not orators
 
just as every citizen , rich or poor , is entitled to vote ...     
so can anyone be entitled to express their thoughts
whatever ... the person's level of proficiency maybe                                                                                    

let us Be Sensitive .... 

the first rule  : do not disparage the language proficiency 
of a person

otherwise it is would not be Fair and Honest  ....

the first rule : do not practice discrimination in whatever form

then we will be accountable ...
for we uphold a standard that we expect others to cherish     

[octave]

krayden

what a great idea , mate ! 

in that case , may I suggest a case study on the 
blockage of the thread on CCA vs OFC Power Cable .

before we could discuss on the merits , there are 
three issues categories as :

1.   prior blockage , are the forummers aware of any 
misconduct that can induce the moderator flexs it's power 

2.   blockage , is there an abuse of power by the moderator 
in blocking the thread 

3.   post blockage , can a participant re-starts the thread 

i have listed these specific issues so as to facilitate the 
discussion in an orderly manner .     

hehehe ... let's see what we know 

and what can we learn today  

[zac]

you deserved to be blocked...

1. you are not answering any question thread starter asking, wasting bandwith
2. you are bringing in moral or value or whatever shit that we already knew, wasting bandwith
3. picking up a fight or accepting a cyber fight if that makes you better, wasting bandwith
4. if the thread itself can't provide any knowledge to thread starter or forummer, give a good reason why it should be carried on.

If you wanna say you are not the one started...
well, if i were you, i will answer whatever that i know and it's relevant to topic,
to those post that is offended, i will report it to mod... save the hassle...
the report function is invented for a reason...

[Arezum]

you deserved to be blocked...

1. you are not answering any question thread starter asking, wasting bandwith
2. you are bringing in moral or value or whatever shit that we already knew, wasting bandwith
3. picking up a fight or accepting a cyber fight if that makes you better, wasting bandwith
4. if the thread itself can't provide any knowledge to thread starter or forummer, give a good reason why it should be carried on.

If you wanna say you are not the one started...
well, if i were you, i will answer whatever that i know and it's relevant to topic,
to those post that is offended, i will report it to mod... save the hassle...
the report function is invented for a reason...

calm down bro..
no one here deserve the right to be blocked, especially for those who r having their thoughts & wanted em' to be shared among others in this forum. Just let the opinions/thoughts/reviews to be read by other members in this forum & lets make it more healthier & a meaningful one. If the topic is misleading & starting to get derailed..(which i still think that octave is contributing sumthing which is a good information/reviews on that CCA vs OFC Power cable thread) just tell him/her nicely & if u want to criticise-try to make it in a fun way or try to be more polite as IMHO any dispute will not only create a negative image/feedback in this forum but may cause a limited contribution of ideas & opinions & as a result from that, am sure forummers will start to leave this forum..
C'mon guys, just dont limit yourself on a single thread on seeking infos & ideas..if the person started a thread on asking the worth of having "A" but another person replied & telling u bout the goods/benefits of having "B" which is totally in a different category of discussion..whats wrong with that?they can still be a helpful good infos & opinions for others rite?

cheers mate..
PNW!

p/s:hey mod, we are still practising the old T&C rite for this forum?i wonder if we still have those underage registered & started to be too childish & emotional when we are discussing something which can be helpful for others.. 

[krayden]

Case study on the blockage of the thread on CCA vs OFC Power Cable .
I shall engage you on this as a matter of open discussion (watch my English go downhill from here)

before we could discuss on the merits , there are
three issues categories as :

1.   prior blockage , are the forummers aware of any
misconduct that can induce the moderator flexs it's power
None that I can recall in the last 2yrs

2.   blockage , is there an abuse of power by the moderator
in blocking the thread
Not in my opinion. It appears the mod did everyone a favor my locking a thread thats going nowhere except down the drain.It is well within the juristriction of mods to buck any unhealthy trends.

3.   post blockage , can a participant re-starts the thread
While it is true that a forumer may seek to reignite any old matter in the form of a new thread, I believe it was clear that doing so will be for naught, as it would be deleted/locked on sight, as indicated by the mods warning of said participants to be under his watchful eyes.

On another note, I have thus far found little problem with your posts, Dr. Perhaps only your methods of flaming people in the cultured way that only you can come up with. I never had a problem with OT discussions either, as I believe it may lead to other sorts of useful information. In that sense perhaps a simple message from a mod to stick to the topic may suffice in most cases.

[octave]

krayden

thank you ... for being sporting . 

obviously your proficiency in language is excellent .
it would be a service to this forum by motivating 
and help others to improve by flexing your skill . 
otherwise , you are not doing any justice to your 
talent . oooops ... am I flaming ?     
 
honestly , I am very puzzled by the word flaming .
hehehe ... I guess i have exposed my ignorance .

flame means fire . flaming means burning . in your
your context , my guess is instigation . please ... i
stand to be corrected .

in any discourse , the are four segments of responses :

1.    in agreement : 
       
       where the all the parties perfectly understood 
       and precisely interpreted the facts of the matter . 

       everyone is enlightened  and a happy ending .  

2.    in disagreement :
       
       the passionated parties that misunderstood 
       or misinterpreted the facts of the subject
       matter , and ended up more passionated ,
       incensed with anger and deep dissatisfaction ...
       seeking for the next opportunity to vent the 
       frustrations . 

       a not so happy ending , I think .  

3.    providing alternatives    
       
       a party in the discussion had understood and 
       interpreted the facts correctly with the added 
       advantage of additional info/exposure over 
       others . thus the ability in providing another 
       perspective .
       
       a happy ending , I presume .

4.    don't know
       
       a passionated amateur ended up being more 
       enlightened . waiting for the next chance to
       disseminate his knowledge ... with confidence .      

       or , got consumed by the confusion in the 
       discussion and end up ... blur , blur . waiting
       for the next moment to clear the mind . 

       I suppose ... a don't know ending , ya 

as you can see , I took an effort to explain the effect 
of misunderstanding or misinterpretation of statements/facts
as the underlining reason on cyberwars in my previous post .

however , in your view is it considered flaming :  
            i )   if an individual agrees with your opinion ? 
           ii )   if he disagrees ? 
          iii )   what about providing an alternative ?

bear in mind ,  the act of providing alternative is an 
indirect form of disagreement . after all , would he 
provides one if he totally agrees with you ?

as you can see , each one is their exercising their respective
right to speak . and i will defend everybody's right to speak , 
even if I do not agree with his opinion .

well ... the right to speak an opinion is entirely different 
from the content of an opinion . 

sigh ... the many cyberwares is a consequence of the 
misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the contents .

oooops ...  am i flaming again ?     
  

[izso]

Doc Ock :

I don't think either yours or Krayden's explaination tallies to the actual situation.

Communication is 35% body language, 38% tonality, 30% expression, 7% words.

In forums we only see words so the message will most likely be interpreted 7% accurately.

Personally - I feel moderators have an obligation to maintain the forum they are responsible for however they see fit. If they are militarian it is their choice. If they are carefree that is also their choice.

[Xai-V-iaX]

I'm beginning to sense that this discussion is also going off-track. Please do not start discussing about each others proficiency with the English language and stand firmly on what the thread is intended for. Once again, please stay ON-TRACK ! ! !

[Xai-V-iaX]

you deserved to be blocked...

1. you are not answering any question thread starter asking, wasting bandwith
2. you are bringing in moral or value or whatever shit that we already knew, wasting bandwith
3. picking up a fight or accepting a cyber fight if that makes you better, wasting bandwith
4. if the thread itself can't provide any knowledge to thread starter or forummer, give a good reason why it should be carried on.

If you wanna say you are not the one started...
well, if i were you, i will answer whatever that i know and it's relevant to topic,
to those post that is offended, i will report it to mod... save the hassle...
the report function is invented for a reason...

Chill Zac....