Topic: CCA vs OFC Power Cable

[craziechild]

if you read it carefully, the live performance was used as an analogy for cable selections.

hence this is what i wan to say:
NO Flamiming, NO Branding, NO name calling.

This here is for discussion, if you don't like to participate, leave. 

Want to make a undisputed point of yours? Create your own thread and lock it.

CHEERS!

[octave]

kyo111 ...

you are indeed an interesting person ...   

strictly speaking , and abiding by your definition , you were already off topic ( reply 33 )
before I did my first posting ( reply 36 ) . thus , you were not being fair and honest , not to me ,
but to yourself .

secondly, you were not being sensitive to realize that you were invoking selective discrimination .
and selective discrimination is a harmful element in fostering peaceful co-existence  .  and
lastly , you were practicing double standard . hehehe ... one for you , one for others .

thus , you have breached all the three ethics in blogging :

1.   fair and honest
2.   be sensitive/minimize damage
3.   accountability

inspite of this insignificant speck of blemish , I do honestly believe you can contribute positively
and significantly to this forum . and not forgetting .... so can anyone ...   

on occasions where our opinions may be at opposing ends , we need not go on a warpath
to demolish our stances . certainly this will only encourage more inputs . there are no vanquished ,
only victors . we are victors ... because we learn something new in conformity with the primary
objective of any forums .

hopefully ...  we can all be moulded into a NEW me ....

excuse me ... have you seen  my mirror around ?      

[kyo111]

Yeah, indeed I was off topic on #33, but there's others going off topic earlier than me. #30 come first or #33 come first? You may make the changes by requesting us to stick to the topic, but you choose not to. Instead you go off topic futher. If I were to breached all 3 ethics, same as you. Wouldn't you agree with that? If I were to invoking selective discrimination, who started direct discrimination first? You or me? Do I have problem on reading post #40? Indeed I had, if the sun were to rise from west.
Speaking of interesting, you are much more interesting to me, you made the mistake but you try your best to say others made the mistake.

Somewhat Mike and Victor gained my respect even I not that agree with the ways they became middlemen on the recent havoc. At least they won't state the name direct, not like you.

[octave]

kyo111 ...

sigh ... as you seek my elaboration , i shall comply . sir , your wish is my command .

first , carcrazy was trying to impress that the different cables do make a difference 
in the sound . one needs to attend a live orchestra performance ( reference ) ,
unamplified , to understand the differences .

second , iszo on the other hand disagreed as he prefers amplified ( preference )
live performance without being aware he was touching on preference .

whereas mnkh chipped in because he understood that both were talking about live
performances . that explains why he specifically mentioned , amplified and unamplified 
performances , totally unaware that by explaining the difference between reference
and preference would settle the puzzle . 

ahemmm ... that was how I came into the picture .  

well , I see this as my moral obligation to clarify the misconception. so that future
discussions will be more coherent , meaningful and with a direction . otherwise ...
always blur , blur one . and with many chicken and ducklings cloistering around
the oasis .

wait a minute .... am I being blur too ....        

[bafukie]

mods, just lock the thread up. we want healthy matured discussion, not names calling..bashing.. unrelated sarcastic remark. u kyo111 aka KYHENG.. oh yes, we know its u, had proven once again that u will never be able to post constructive remarks, always end up 'fighting' over ALL the forums u visited, resort to name callings which is totally uncalled for. This thread will definitely go down drain judging by the response.

 

[kyo111]

mods, just lock the thread up. we want healthy matured discussion, not names calling..bashing.. unrelated sarcastic remark. u kyo111 aka KYHENG.. oh yes, we know its u, had proven once again that u will never be able to post constructive remarks, always end up 'fighting' over ALL the forums u visited, resort to name callings which is totally uncalled for. This thread will definitely go down drain judging by the response.

 

So, Octave, what's your opinion on this? I see clearly this is direct discrimination and personal attacks. Or do you have other view? But if you spend more time to re-read from start, this topic has been de-railed much earlier. Not on #30.

[izso]

the next question is : how to achieve the purity of sound of live performances ?

Octave, I'm not bothered with the never ending war amongst certain parties here. But with the above statement, that's the part you didn't get about my comment! Who said anything about purity of sound as one of my preferences? I like synthesized sound! So in the end this is my preference. So I will never need to or want to achieve purity of sound plainly because of my preference.

Anyway, I have no idea idea on the differences between CCA and OFC power cables. Whatever performs better to my ears would be my choice.

[kyo111]

^That's right, let your senses do the talking, your ears, your wallet. Industry always talks about cost effective, I'm sure this concept shall be applied to our hobby(in this case, audio) also.
Both of the cables concerned do have their pros and cons.
OFC
1. Better conductor than most of the metals
2. even it is rusted, it is still copper(do you see TNB always change their ground?)
3. high resale value, which a lot people like to steal it, especially those under thick TNB cables.
4. heavier

CCA
1. not a good conductor if were compare to OFC, but still way better than iron or other alloys used on manufacturing cars
2. once rusted, it is aluminum oxide(because only 10% of copper used) which cause higher resistance compare to OFC. Proper termination are very important
3. no resale value, but it is an advantage as nobody wants to steal it
4. adapted by TNB or other industries years ago
5. lighter and cheaper

[octave]

hi iszo .. 

hehehe ... thanks for your clarification . i fully understood your sentiments .

and not to be unduly worried about the war of words . it will always be there ...
in fact ... anywhere as long as we live . that's because of either misunderstanding
or misinterpreting the facts . my apology ,  let me elaborate further :

1.   misunderstanding

     let's say i am a mafia godfather . i owe kyo111 some money and now at
     the gate . hehehe .... you are my hit man . and i say " take care of him " .

     does it mean i .   to kill him
                       ii .   chase him away
                       iii .  or pay him the debt

     this is not a good example , i owe kyo111 money and some more , a godfather .

2.   misinterpreting

     thomas edison , the inventor of light bulb , experimented a 1,000 times
     before he successfully deviced the light bulb . you could either interpret as
     having :

     i.    failed 1,000 times                      ( pessimism  )
     ii.   or discovered 1,000 ways to fail , ( this is optimism )

optimism breeds progress .

as a blogger with optimism , we could each contribute by highlighting or clarifying
the misunderstanding of statements or misinterpretation of facts . so that we
could be enriched and achieve enlightment . more importantly , the non-active
bloggers too get the benefits . hopefully ... by then they feel confident to participate . 

a word of caution  , one should never let emotion over-rule the intellectual
prowess of reasoning . otherwise , the mayhem may be of no benefit to anyone .   
by then , there will be no logic , only ..... 

sorry guys ... i am off topic  ... 

[kyo111]

hi iszo .. 

hehehe ... thanks for your clarification . i fully understood your sentiments .

and not to be unduly worried about the war of words . it will always be there ...
in fact ... anywhere as long as we live . that's because of either misunderstanding
or misinterpreting the facts . my apology ,  let me elaborate further :

1.   misunderstanding

     let's say i am a mafia godfather . i owe kyo111 some money and now at
     the gate . hehehe .... you are my hit man . and i say " take care of him " .

     does it mean i .   to kill him
                       ii .   chase him away
                       iii .  or pay him the debt

     this is not a good example , i owe kyo111 money and some more , a godfather .

2.   misinterpreting

     thomas edison , the inventor of light bulb , experimented a 1,000 times
     before he successfully deviced the light bulb . you could either interpret as
     having :

     i.    failed 1,000 times                      ( pessimism  )
     ii.   or discovered 1,000 ways to fail , ( this is optimism )

optimism breeds progress .

as a blogger with optimism , we could each contribute by highlighting or clarifying
the misunderstanding of statements or misinterpretation of facts . so that we
could be enriched and achieve enlightment . more importantly , the non-active
bloggers too get the benefits . hopefully ... by then they feel confident to participate . 

a word of caution  , one should never let emotion over-rule the intellectual
prowess of reasoning . otherwise , the mayhem may be of no benefit to anyone .   
by then , there will be no logic , only ..... 

sorry guys ... i am off topic  ... 

Octave, tell me, this is direct disrmination or what with such example? Even on my earlier post you never state your stand. Stop being a coward and act as an adult. I think raise this issue to MCMC and lodge a police report(rm2 only, I can pay) on your death threat against me would be a good start. You may think this is a joke but I'm feel threaten. Retract your statements.

[cuai]

You are taking it too serious bro.. 

[kyo111]

I know you want to support your good friend, but this is way too much. Joke is a joke, but if you don't know how to control the content, it will be a serious issue. BTW, I learn this from Octave. But seems like he is the first person to breach his own rules?
http://www.cmcf.my/online-form-online-content
And never come accross that making a complaint is so easy.

[bafukie]

the best way to continue this wonderful topic is to ignore the troublemaker (note singular) 

[craziechild]

Unhealthy discussion.

No coorperation, thread locked.

[craziechild]

kyo1111, octave, bafukie.

three of you are on my watch list.