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Old School HU
« on: November 13, 2006, 09:27:59 PM »
Hi, recently just wasted some of the precious time looking at HU discussion all over various forum...and suddenly felt myself getting old... /35

Vintage kind of stuffs now start to turn me on rather than those flashy new stuffs...itchy bout a HU change, not too expensive though, ran through a few choices and short listed a few too...

i. Alpine 7998R
One of the dream HU when i started my ICE journey, back then it is selling at almost 3k and I ended up purchased a brand new Eclipse 8051 and use it till now...back then if i have the cash I'd go for the 7998R due to the outlook...now its back into my list of scouting...

ii. Clarion HX-D1/9255EXL
Nv heard it before, but got rave reviews, some said it is Mcintosh clone (dun flame me, i heard some where else). Classy look

iii. Sony C90 + XDP4000X
Knew that the display sucks, my mate has one long ago, sound-quality can't really tell as that time his system still undergo massive changes and tuning has not been completed then he sold it off...classy HU with the nice looking XDP4000X

iv. Eclipse 8051
Hahahaha...do you think my 8051 is on par for the above mentioned HU?

cast the vote, I'd really like to see opinions flows...Seriously 8051 is fine for me, its just that its been with me for around 2 years, and i think its time to try something different... /66

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Re: Old School HU
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2006, 10:59:39 PM »
My vote goes to the clarions  /64

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Re: Old School HU
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2006, 11:13:03 PM »
hehehehe ... for me the c90s ... legendary ...

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Re: Old School HU
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2006, 11:29:14 PM »
go with c90 or 9255/d1....won't go wrong

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Re: Old School HU
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2006, 12:19:30 AM »
sifu-sifu sekalian, i'll need to attend some TT to check how's the D1 sounds, knew that Marquis has one in his car, 7998R I've listened before and not too bad, anyone has any idea who has the C90 for audition?

do you guys think that after all these years, these vintage HU still reliable enough? I mean after years of usage, its been aging day by day, is there any wear-and-tear part in the HU that expected to "kaput" within 2-3 years?

I saw the C90 also, but dunno how's the flexibility of the matching processor, like EQ, crossover, etc etc...D1 definitely is top of my list now, would try to scout around...

Will post updates shall i found one  /160

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Re: Old School HU
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2006, 01:03:54 AM »
Hi audiofreak,

Any idea what are the price range for the HU listed above in your first thread?

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Re: Old School HU
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2006, 02:18:35 AM »
Hm... i don't really have the C90 and matching DSP, but i have the C910, if it sounds similar, i don't mind if u want to plug into your setup for a test. ;D
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Re: Old School HU
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2006, 08:42:06 AM »
Maybe the lens is the fastest to kaput, that what always the case.
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Re: Old School HU
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2006, 08:56:56 AM »
for the C90... best if u use it for the deck only without the XDP4000 or DSP210 ....

seems like the number of channels and the tuning flexibility is abit of an issue using the XDP4000 ...

for info, C90 is derived from the infamous ES Series, during my period of ownership, i had never encountered any errors or reading problems what soever be it CDs or CDRs ... ori or otherwise ...

come to think of it ... hehehe.. maybe time for me to KIV this vintage player again ...

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Re: Old School HU
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2006, 10:23:53 AM »
From the HUs you mentioned, they seems to be compromises no matter which one you take.

From my point of view, starting with your Eclipse 8051.

This unit was alredy old skool from the day it was introduced. But what it got so right was the analogue section of the unit. Most well done was the power supply and the highish pre-out, if your amps can take it. Smooth overall sound but nothing really to get excited about as well.

Alpine 7998R, like you I've always drew over it when it was new but considered way of of budget for me. It starts what some veterans would call the newer Alpine sound compared to past legends like the 7909,7939 and 7949. It's weakest piont like all recent new Alpine units is the power supply which is of the switching variety, DC-DC copnverter aside. The sound is somewhat less full bodied compared to old skool Alpines due to poor output, I've scoped it to outputing at 4V but at cliping point!, actually it started to clip at 3.9V. But makes up for it with very versatile built in tuning devices, like T/A, EQ, X-over amongst other things, if you are a believer of such things at all?

Clarion HX D1 / 9255EXL, are decent players in their own right, the sound is highly neutral(the 9255EXL is a little warmer). I personally found the HXD1 neutral to the point of being sterile, but the 9255 is more musical overall. Both units have very strong power supplies and I have scoped both to measure 8V output cleanly! Both units are somewhat let down by chossy disc mechanism. It even rejects reasonable condition ORI CDs! Between the two, my pick is the 9255EXL.

Sony C90 + XDP4000, Heard both this units breifly, and sound nice and smooth enough. It was done at a time when the brand Sony actually has credibilty! Those were the days! It was also one of the units I had lusted over until I heard the XES system! But I can't say much as I only had brief sessions with it.

So my vote? the Alpine 7998R actually because I eventually bough a pre-owned unit and still using it.

As for your vote, I would suggest you think about the following 2 Questions.

1) Are you building a purist system or following that path somewhat? Are you anti processing of sound?

2) Or do you like to go full active and have the most flexible tuning tools to help you get there?

Both ways also can lead you to a good SQ system. Choose your path now, as you're starting with HU.

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Re: Old School HU
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2006, 10:36:38 AM »
From the HUs you mentioned, they seems to be compromises no matter which one you take.

From my point of view, starting with your Eclipse 8051.

This unit was alredy old skool from the day it was introduced. But what it got so right was the analogue section of the unit. Most well done was the power supply and the highish pre-out, if your amps can take it. Smooth overall sound but nothing really to get excited about as well.

Alpine 7998R, like you I've always drew over it when it was new but considered way of of budget for me. It starts what some veterans would call the newer Alpine sound compared to past legends like the 7909,7939 and 7949. It's weakest piont like all recent new Alpine units is the power supply which is of the switching variety, DC-DC copnverter aside. The sound is somewhat less full bodied compared to old skool Alpines due to poor output, I've scoped it to outputing at 4V but at cliping point!, actually it started to clip at 3.9V. But makes up for it with very versatile built in tuning devices, like T/A, EQ, X-over amongst other things, if you are a believer of such things at all?

Clarion HX D1 / 9255EXL, are decent players in their own right, the sound is highly neutral(the 9255EXL is a little warmer). I personally found the HXD1 neutral to the point of being sterile, but the 9255 is more musical overall. Both units have very strong power supplies and I have scoped both to measure 8V output cleanly! Both units are somewhat let down by chossy disc mechanism. It even rejects reasonable condition ORI CDs! Between the two, my pick is the 9255EXL.

Sony C90 + XDP4000, Heard both this units breifly, and sound nice and smooth enough. It was done at a time when the brand Sony actually has credibilty! Those were the days! It was also one of the units I had lusted over until I heard the XES system! But I can't say much as I only had brief sessions with it.

So my vote? the Alpine 7998R actually because I eventually bough a pre-owned unit and still using it.

As for your vote, I would suggest you think about the following 2 Questions.

1) Are you building a purist system or following that path somewhat? Are you anti processing of sound?

2) Or do you like to go full active and have the most flexible tuning tools to help you get there?

Both ways also can lead you to a good SQ system. Choose your path now, as you're starting with HU.

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Re: Old School HU
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2006, 10:52:33 AM »
Great feedback. Let me offer another twist to this. Which HU amongst the currently avail in the market is considered the better? Candidates would include:

Clarion HX-D2
Pioneer DEX/DEQ P90 series
Pioneer ODR
Alpine F1 9990 series
Eclipse Sound Monitor series
Nakamichi CD700 MKII
McIntosh MX406

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Re: Old School HU
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2006, 11:15:23 AM »
*coughdenoncough ...

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Re: Old School HU
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2006, 11:45:22 AM »
my vote is D1...2nd is 7998 :)

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Re: Old School HU
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2006, 11:49:18 AM »
my vote to 9288EXL or its nearest sibling the D1, then the C90 then the 7998 ...

dun get me wrong, but actually 7998 so - so nia ... maybe only plus point is the phantom face and built-in x.over functionality ....



*disclaimer : i use all the 3 above before except for D1 ...