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A low cost power supply upgrade.
« on: September 02, 2008, 11:45:06 PM »
Just to share my most recent discovery brought over from home audio diy projects.

You can actually clean up the car's power supply with a small upgrade!, For some reason this little tweak gave me more positive result with ICE than with home audio!

Perhaps it's just to show our ICE 12V power supply from the car is very polluted!

Here's what you need to do.

Go buy your self some 0.01uf/50V (can also be 63V)film caps. I had some 0.01uf/50V left overs from my home audio projects and decided to try them in the car audio. Here's how it's done.

You'll have to attach one leg of the cap to the 12V+ supply from battery and attach the other remaining leg to the gnd of you component. Yes, you are effectively shorting your 12V+ to your ground via the use of the film cap. The cap acts like a filter shunt to ground. As the cap is not polarity sensitive, it can be done in any direction.

I installed one film cap each for HU, Tube Pre amp, and each of my two power amps.

The sonic results?

In my well already tuned ride, i got everything snap in to focus! The highs were more extended and airy, the mids more body and the bass better controlled, it even went lower by a frequency or two more distinctly too. However, a quick retune by lowering my treble gain on my e-x over and deleying the tweeters by another milisec brought the whole sound stage alive!   

I play Patti Austin Live!, an R&B concert and in my car, I was tranformed in to the concert hall!

For once in the last 18 months or so, I could sit in the car, finish a song, before willingly step out of the car once arrived home! It's that addictive!

Total cost? Possibly RM$10.00 for the 4 pcs film caps

Another RM$50.00 for my dear installer to cari makan a bit, because I too lazy to pry open dash and lift up my 2 seats! However, this part, you can save if you can diy!

Good Luck!

Note: as with usual diy tweaks caveat, I cannot be held responsible if you unfortunately burn your stuff during the diy work or if your installer not skill competent enough!




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Re: A low cost power supply upgrade.
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2008, 12:05:58 AM »
some pictures to show the connection will be nice /66 prolly every1 can try doing so /110

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Re: A low cost power supply upgrade.
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2008, 11:20:05 PM »
Friend, can't(don't know how to) do digital photo and download on to website. Unless some kind soul willing to help me take picture and post up here?

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Re: A low cost power supply upgrade.
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2008, 10:56:19 AM »
noob question... normal caps can do? or must be film caps?

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Re: A low cost power supply upgrade.
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2008, 10:45:21 PM »
Normal caps, assuming you're talking about e-caps, they will go "KABOOM!!!" once you power them up upon shorting your +12V to GND.

Film caps are non polarity, so can short without any problems.

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Re: A low cost power supply upgrade.
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2008, 02:55:31 PM »
ok. thanks. what about bigger values? do they give a better results?

or they must be the values you have given? what bout the helix baby caps?

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Re: A low cost power supply upgrade.
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2008, 11:15:12 PM »
Hi! The biggest value you can use is 0.1uf/63V, the smallest value is 0.01uf/50V.

You may try anything in between the 2 values, and yes, FILM CAPS ONLY!

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Re: A low cost power supply upgrade.
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2008, 10:59:28 AM »
Normal caps, assuming you're talking about e-caps, they will go "KABOOM!!!" once you power them up upon shorting your +12V to GND.

Film caps are non polarity, so can short without any problems.
the way you're doing is something like you add a voltage stabalizer rite? like those Pivot or other brand.
even, those caps like Helix or Brax.... it's e-cap, with polarity, you can also connect them to the +12V and GND

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Re: A low cost power supply upgrade.
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2008, 12:44:55 PM »
audio creations will come out with an high-end audio voltage stabilizer soon. still in r&d stage, so stay tuned!

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Re: A low cost power supply upgrade.
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2008, 03:25:03 PM »
mike. update us with the best low price as you always had. hope to hear about it soon.

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Re: A low cost power supply upgrade.
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2008, 09:18:22 PM »
mike. update us with the best low price as you always had. hope to hear about it soon.

it will not be cheap if it has to be seriously effective without drawbacks. we found out power conditioning on a 110/240v ac is easier and needs less conditioning strength than 12v dc. we plan to use quantum physics noise disrupters as part of our design. but maybe that would only be applied to top-end systems, thus a high-end model of power conditioners.

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Re: A low cost power supply upgrade.
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2009, 11:12:54 PM »
it will not be cheap if it has to be seriously effective without drawbacks. we found out power conditioning on a 110/240v ac is easier and needs less conditioning strength than 12v dc. we plan to use quantum physics noise disrupters as part of our design. but maybe that would only be applied to top-end systems, thus a high-end model of power conditioners.

bro sorry to ask, why everything have u be high end ? when panzer bro here with RM10 yielded good results... he spent like RM60-70 (with installation) and got good results (as his subject of this thread already say it clearly "low cost power supply upgrade."

After end up spending like 600-700 or 6000 to 7000 for the same results like he got, only pay more because of the brand name and mind set (expensive means better)  /24

Dun get the idea sometimes... everything high end..

No offense please, its just something to learn, maybe u have experience it better with the high end stuffs, would love to listen to your experience.

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Re: A low cost power supply upgrade.
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2009, 12:43:02 PM »
bro sorry to ask, why everything have u be high end ? when panzer bro here with RM10 yielded good results... he spent like RM60-70 (with installation) and got good results (as his subject of this thread already say it clearly "low cost power supply upgrade."

After end up spending like 600-700 or 6000 to 7000 for the same results like he got, only pay more because of the brand name and mind set (expensive means better)  /24

Dun get the idea sometimes... everything high end..

No offense please, its just something to learn, maybe u have experience it better with the high end stuffs, would love to listen to your experience.
i think the best way would be doing a comparison
example... using panzer's idea in your car...... listen for sometime
then...use the "high end branded" idea in the same car, same tuning, same equipments, minus panzer's idea.... listen for sometime and make a comparison.

it's same case....like.... alot of people say Camry is very nice to sit, very comfortable. But then... maybe a Lexus is nicer to sit? never try never know

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Re: A low cost power supply upgrade.
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2009, 01:20:39 PM »
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Re: A low cost power supply upgrade.
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2009, 04:50:29 PM »
roy77: We are actually not brand conscious, seriously. If someone can find me a rm2.50 cap that sounds as good as a rm40-80 cap, then he can lead the way. If you're going to spend 8-20 thousand on your equipment and squabble over a few more hundreds for a useful and meaningful upgrade, then you're not really into it. Meaningful means the difference must be significant enough to justify the cost.

We are just a fussy bunch and we try virtually everything. When you're reach to a level where music only matters, the materials and methods used must make a discerning audible difference. We are not interested in small, single range, insignifican't difference or as carcrazy puts it "no feel" differences. There are no second guesses, no halo effect, snake oil and/or uncertainty.

Panzer's little upgrade makes a big enough difference to justify the RM10 cost of the caps. If our system is not up to "standard", we may hear less difference and we may even call it bullshit or a waste of time. Since Panzer's well built system yielded huge improvements from this little upgrade, I'm sure when he has the time and money (which he does.. hehe), he will put better caps in. But as we, closer friends know him, he's busy with more 2 channel hifi than car audio at the moment.

In fact, when your requirements or exposure level increases, your definition of high-end is also elevated.