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Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« on: April 25, 2008, 02:42:00 PM »
Can someone enlighten me how to distinguish between the two?
Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV (upgraded version)

165K2P
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3400

vs

165K2P UV
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3411

Most importantly, the price is also different.

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2008, 10:12:42 PM »
Yeah! I'd also like to knoew please?

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2008, 03:49:55 PM »
would 75w rms enough to drive these drivers properly?

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2008, 12:11:08 AM »
would 75w rms enough to drive these drivers properly?

honestly?... yes!

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2008, 08:40:35 PM »
any cons powering them with 75w rms?

cuz of most of the infos i had read... most of them power them with 150w rms to be optimum... stating that the mid bass would be better with that power... true?

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2008, 10:32:16 PM »
any cons powering them with 75w rms?

cuz of most of the infos i had read... most of them power them with 150w rms to be optimum... stating that the mid bass would be better with that power... true?

thanks

it is actually quite subjective. first of all, i don't think everyone knows how to make the best use of their amps. secondly, if someone expects power to produce midbass while ignoring the basics of install, he/she is into a big surprise and even 150wrms would not help.

in short, this is what I think:
1) 75w is sufficient to drive it properly
2) 100w (the nominal power handing of the 165k2p) will be able to drive it optimally, given there is no bottleneck
3) 150w and above would give plenty of headroom in cases where the system is pushed to its limits

bonus info:
a) an amplifier is only as good as the power you feed it
b) an amplifier cannot reach full capability if preout/input voltage is not matched
c) the more amplifiers you have in a system, the more stress it is to your charging system and the less it is likely to be optimized
 

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2008, 11:00:06 PM »
i once ran my k2p with 100wrms from ยต-dimension 4ch amplifier and it was great. can't really fault it.

however, if i played really complex music and loud... the flaws emerges after just a couple minutes of play. why? because the amp has run out of steam and it gets worst and worst when the charging system runs out of steam too.

so how? if you can afford more power... 120w, 150w or so... wonderful! go for it. remember, to remedy the second phase of problem too; the charging system!

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2008, 11:34:43 PM »
ok. thanks for the info. but by complicated music, what kind of music are we talking about? electronica? orchestras?

actually its my friend asking, powering it with old school alpha sonik 75w rms. afraid of not enough mid bass.

cheers.

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2008, 11:10:35 AM »
Hey mike, any news on your power conditioner ? Looking for something like accuvolt/helix power station, or some other stuff which can cleanup and fix the power supply above 13.8V variable or fixed.  /62

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2008, 02:50:44 PM »
ok. thanks for the info. but by complicated music, what kind of music are we talking about? electronica? orchestras?

actually its my friend asking, powering it with old school alpha sonik 75w rms. afraid of not enough mid bass.

cheers.

music with plenty of demanding dynamic passages, instruments intertwined and soundstage layering....

what player is he using la?


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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2008, 02:56:58 PM »
Hey mike, any news on your power conditioner ? Looking for something like accuvolt/helix power station, or some other stuff which can cleanup and fix the power supply above 13.8V variable or fixed.  /62

accuvolt and helix power station are power stabilizers.

we have not scrap the idea of a power conditioner but after initial cost analysis, it will not be affordable for the masses. dc supply is harder to condition than ac, so a high-end power conditioner could easily cost at least 4k. furthermore, a head unit requires different conditioning than the power amplifiers, so the units must have a few outlets that are separated internally. at the end of the day we may be able to make one but no regular person will want to buy it one without breaking their bank  /152

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2008, 09:31:24 PM »
Both the accuvolt and helix stabilise and "clean" the power. Conditioner = cleaning ?

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2008, 01:46:27 AM »
ww korkor,
after looking into the subject for the past 6 mths or so, i found that a power conditioner can mean many things and there are many different designs that does different things. common power conditioners like avr (automatic voltage regular) used for PC and home AV applications, or those that comes with built in line/power protection or surge protector also offer some kind of conditioning and filtering. most people buy it to protect their equipment against over/under-voltage, surges and such. some even buy one because they need a power bar to use one outlet on the wall to split for several appliances. many of the units comes with filtering to remove emi and rfi from the powerline but most "cheap" ones are purely marketing. they may shield away some noise but also hinder power (like a coil that many installers use in the past to remove aeroplane noise).

what i am really seriously looking into is a power conditioner for audio purpose. not a surge protector (a fuse can handle that), not a voltage regulator (an accuvolt or similar product can handle that) and not a power splitter/volt meter (a distribution block with voltmeter can handle that). one that when plugged in and out, audible differences in the sound quality can be noticed immediately. a power conditioner that removes noise from power supply so that the sound system background is pitch black quiet and music flows out effortlessly, naturally without hinderance. highs, mids, lows, air and space becomes more prominent because the background noise is reduced or eliminated. this goes one step above cleaning.

i guess this is a bit far fetched for car audio because most car audio systems are not revealing enough to really appreciate such devices. a majority of enthusiast is even stuck with low-loss industrial grade "characterless and boring" cabling like B and C or even cat-5, have no regard for proper powercords/powercable, stuck with 50cent components in crossovers and expect installation to be free with purchase. definitely, they will not be ready to accommodate such devices in their system.


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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2008, 01:41:13 PM »
Hey mike thanks for the explanation....although I dont understand how you are going to achieve it for car /66 And like you said it may not be worthwhile for noisy car environment. But you have ready customers who are willing to try all your toys ! I have seen many of these people looking for audio nirvana ! Money to them is not the issue  /92

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2008, 04:05:38 PM »
Hey mike thanks for the explanation....although I dont understand how you are going to achieve it for car /66 And like you said it may not be worthwhile for noisy car environment. But you have ready customers who are willing to try all your toys ! I have seen many of these people looking for audio nirvana ! Money to them is not the issue  /92
i think you typed wrongly.

you should have typed Money to ME is not the issue

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2008, 07:51:31 PM »
well. player is a alpine dvd 301 or 310 couldnt remember the model number well but its a touch screen flip screen single din.

cabling by chord. and running them active.

charging system has been upgraded. alternator upgrades by 30% and kinetik batteries installed close to the amps.

anymore infos you need? music preference is most rock like mcr, avenged.

cheers

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2008, 09:44:02 PM »
craziechild: for discussion purposes maybe you can let us know what your car sounds like now. what character and what do you think it lacks (compared to what, benchmark?). thx man.

calvin: ww is filthy rich, but you're getting there also.  /110

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2008, 10:22:58 PM »
its not my setup. my friend's first setup. he wanted to make it a long termed setup.

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2008, 09:50:39 AM »
calvin + mike, you guys are funny  /152

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2008, 02:10:01 PM »
i think you typed wrongly.

you should have typed Money to ME is not the issue

Wow!! I like the phrase. Then if thats the case should consider the following options:
1] Van den Hul Platinum Interconnect
2] Duelund CAST Silver 12awg Inductor
3] Duelund Silver Foil PIO capacitor
4] VDH The Third
5] Skaaning Mids with Diamond Dome Tweeter
Geng!!


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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2008, 05:44:48 PM »
Wow!! I like the phrase. Then if thats the case should consider the following options:
1] Van den Hul Platinum Interconnect
2] Duelund CAST Silver 12awg Inductor
3] Duelund Silver Foil PIO capacitor
4] VDH The Third
5] Skaaning Mids with Diamond Dome Tweeter
Geng!!


and all this in a Aston Martin DBS  /69

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2008, 06:04:36 PM »
and all this in a Aston Martin DBS  /69

and a beautiful chic to go with that... + shaken not stirred.

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2008, 09:13:32 AM »
Can someone enlighten me how to distinguish between the two?
Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV (upgraded version)

165K2P
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3400

vs

165K2P UV
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3411

Seen someone in diyma mentioned that the UV version has better mid range compared to the non-upgraded version.

Most importantly, the price is also different.

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2008, 01:09:24 PM »
http://www.sgsoundsystem.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7182
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3286900
http://www.mobileelectronics.com.au/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t543121.html

some reads about how to match your Focal K2P uv and that you do not need tons of RMS. like any good speaker, you need to understand the drivers before installing and tuning them right.

also note that someone told me he felt our K2P uv mids are heavier than the K2P he bought from a local shop. I'm not sure what significance that makes, both looks the same.

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Re: Difference between Focal 165K2P and Focal 165K2P UV
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2008, 03:46:33 AM »
some talks abt the fakies. sadly, malaysia is mentioned many times. much more if you google.  /63

http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=132417&highlight=ebay+china
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72842
http://www.mobileelectronics.com.au/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t543889.html
http://www.civicfd-sg.com/viewtopic.php?p=76298&sid=e2fd3bd39d6d694911b9ce7b522690a9
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-12583.html
http://www.autoindustriya.com/talkboard/index.php?topic=20802.15

my suggestion is to insist on warranty and get it stated on the invoice if possible. good things don't come cheap and dirt cheap things don't come good either. the only exception would be if the model has been phased out or some sorts. 
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