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Xover with the wrong Impedance ...
« on: October 19, 2006, 03:20:43 PM »
 :D Just to re-inforce my knowledge or more likely to refresh ..

what happens when a dedicated 4ohms x.over is used for a 8ohm driver say the tweeter?

as far as i know, these are a couple of things that can happen :

1. Because of the difference in impedance, the frequency would prolly 'run' i.e. inaccurate.
2. There could be a gap between the tweeter and the midbass, because the crossover point is wrong or because of no.1 above ..
3. Anything else???

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Re: Xover with the wrong Impedance ...
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2006, 03:30:13 PM »
1. The frequency, depending on whether it's a highpass or lowpass will run for sure. The general rough guide is that if you use a 8-ohm driver in a passive crossover made for 4-ohm drivers would be that the highpass would be double, and the lowpass would be halved. The crossover slope WILL remain as it is(6dB will remain as 6dB, 12dB as 12dB and so on), as there's no change in the amount of components. As for using 2-ohm drivers in 4-ohm passives, it'll be half for highpass, and double for lowpass. Like i said, general guide.

2. There WILL be a gap as the frequencies doesn't match anymore, BUT, if it's a 6dB, the gap won't usually be that big due to the shallow cut-off.

3. There might be a mismatch of efficiency between drivers due to different tweaks in certain passives whereby it's MADE for the driver packaged together, things like Zobel, Notch Filter and efficiency correction takes into account for these.

But after all these are being said, sometimes, it doesn't necessarily means it can't be used, a driver rated as 8-ohm or 4-ohm doesn't necessarily meants it's DCR is the same as rated, neither does it mean it stays at that impedance thru-out music, best bet for seeing and testing whether the passive can work with your drivers is to test, especially with music you are familiar with, who knows, it might just sound right? :P >:D
« Last Edit: October 19, 2006, 03:33:45 PM by GRexer »
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Re: Xover with the wrong Impedance ...
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2006, 03:32:53 PM »

grexer,

what happens lets say an Esotar is using a MK II Passive ie. X240 passive ...

i guess the worry here is not the midbass as the midbass lets say its still MW160 ...

in lame terms, any shift in extension or how low the tweet is playing, etc ??
« Last Edit: October 19, 2006, 03:34:49 PM by netken »

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Re: Xover with the wrong Impedance ...
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2006, 03:36:37 PM »
If not mistaken, the X240 passive is like crossed at 2800Hz-3000Hz at 12dB?

Not sure whether it'll work, but that'll mean being crossed at 5600Hz-6000Hz at 12dB for the Esotar, however, might not sound good. Best off that you try finding a X280 or better, the "latest" X252 ;D Er... edited, juz noticed the X252 is meant for the 4-ohm MD102 only.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2006, 03:38:04 PM by GRexer »
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Re: Xover with the wrong Impedance ...
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2006, 03:39:42 PM »
thanks bro for ur advise!

yup, the new dyns range no more esotar it seems... kinda funny... :D

i guess another way is to run active... trying to avoid active!

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Re: Xover with the wrong Impedance ...
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2006, 03:42:19 PM »
Hm... thought there was an offer for a pair of X280 the other day? Well... the only other way is to run active, or, modding a pair of x250(with reference from a pair of x280 if anyone don't mind borrowing to you) if you can get them cheap ;D
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Re: Xover with the wrong Impedance ...
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2006, 03:44:49 PM »
i've got one already, but i need another one, knowing that the C7 tube can't be bridge hence planning to use 2 passives and feeding the comps independently 100w tube power...

the other day was a MK II passive .... and the x280 seller wanted to consider or something ... oh well ...   O0
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Re: Xover with the wrong Impedance ...
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2006, 03:49:45 PM »
Hm... so basically you are using a pair of passive for the mid/bass and a pair for the tweeters instead? Not too sure if that works well though, *some* passives have this problem with powering only half of the set. But i ain't too sure about the Dyns, you tried powering the mid/bass itself only before?
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Re: Xover with the wrong Impedance ...
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2006, 03:50:56 PM »
errm.. good point u have there ...

haven't actually tried .... lol !

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Re: Xover with the wrong Impedance ...
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2006, 04:01:47 PM »
nennen straight away make custom passive laaa.....

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Re: Xover with the wrong Impedance ...
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2006, 04:03:15 PM »
Hahahaha.... i only attracted to your Mario Avatar ....

where to make locally??

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Re: Xover with the wrong Impedance ...
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2006, 04:08:12 PM »
nennen straight away make custom passive laaa.....

That's of course, THE ultimate! I think Technichi Audio has these services of custom passives, but it's not exactly cheap the last i checked, but i think Uncle Liew at KF also offers custom passives right?
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Re: Xover with the wrong Impedance ...
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2006, 06:08:16 PM »
Hahahaha.... i only attracted to your Mario Avatar ....

where to make locally??

Netken, you can make it yourself. Use the xover calculator from the internet and get the values you need. Then choose the component yourself from local or madisound and such. I made the custom passive for my tweeter and midrange. I now run 2 channel less. Very interesting and fun process leh...