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Time Aligment
« on: October 18, 2006, 09:51:50 PM »
wanna ask sifu here...who uses TA to tune for center imaging.
heard that TA kills tonality....
but to be frank my ears are more sensitive to imaging than tone....
i can detact when imaging is not center but i cant detact bad tonality....
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Re: Time Aligment
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2006, 08:22:38 AM »
I have tried TA on my car a few times when I can't seems to get the spot/tone I wanted.

In fact, I use TA to find out what is just went wrong with the sound, then I go correct the Xover or the level sensitivity.  ;D Then I reset the TA to 0 again.
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Re: Time Aligment
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2006, 08:35:25 AM »
correct TA is very difficult to achieve especially if your playing 3 - way ...

like foo said, TA to zero first, from there i believe you try to play with the gain or level sensitivity ....

if it can be balance that way, there is no further use of TA ...

for so called center imaging, sometimes playing with the gain would be more than sufficient ...

in my previous setup, gain sensitivity was set first, then TA and finally EQ ...

since i go for tube, all 3 has been discarded .... because Tube provides full tonality and also ambience ... although some might argue no imaging..

however, i am trying to be a purist, i.e. let the music be what it is, bearing in mind that not all CDs or Songs were recorded to give out it source in the middle....

it would be a wrong move to use a wrong CD or track e.g. that focuses on ambience when one is looking for center imaging.... best is to use IASCA test tracks i guess... cheerio!!

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Re: Time Aligment
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2006, 08:51:10 AM »
Ken, interestingly, I never heard of tube amp in a car. Would you mind ?
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Re: Time Aligment
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2006, 09:16:23 AM »
dun mind dun mind .... but my car totally dismantled....

we can bench test it, or do it on someone's car... fine with me...

maybe we can PM and do it at TT or something, CV? PM i guess....

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Re: Time Aligment
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2006, 10:27:36 AM »
TA on 3 way running passive. I have tried using it too. Somehow I heard there seems to be some loss. Like the tonality and the songs seems to come out very weird, something like it is distorted. To my ears at least. Since then I didnt fiddle with TA anymore.

BTW guys... WIth TA, it is CD specific or it should be ok for all CDs? Thanks !  O0
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Re: Time Aligment
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2006, 11:03:39 AM »
but what if your amp dont have individual gain setting.....? then its hard to get center imaging without TA rite?
especially on the low vocal notes. very hard to get imaging from the mids...
so if a vocal play from low to high..i can feel the sound from the doors to the center up stage.










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Re: Time Aligment
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2006, 11:11:56 AM »
 ;D I see your complication.

I presume you don't have an EQ or complicated passive Xover ?

Yes, then you have to use TA. But only if you really can't tune from the gain/passive.
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Re: Time Aligment
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2006, 11:26:35 AM »
;D I see your complication.

I presume you don't have an EQ or complicated passive Xover ?

Yes, then you have to use TA. But only if you really can't tune from the gain/passive.

my EQ and crossover are from my HU 9835
and i am running 3way active using a/d/s amp crossover for band pass
feeding both mids and midrange wit 1 set of preout.(not y-cable)
so when i use TA to tune my midrange, my mid bass goes together with it.

tuning a 2 way was never this hard.
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Re: Time Aligment
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2006, 11:33:26 AM »
TA on 3 way running passive. I have tried using it too. Somehow I heard there seems to be some loss. Like the tonality and the songs seems to come out very weird, something like it is distorted. To my ears at least. Since then I didnt fiddle with TA anymore.

BTW guys... WIth TA, it is CD specific or it should be ok for all CDs? Thanks !  O0

bro, for me, once u tune the TA with the correct CD ... it should work for all the CDs..

just dun panic if certain CDs still seems not to be so centered ... lol ..

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Re: Time Aligment
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2006, 11:34:16 AM »
but what if your amp dont have individual gain setting.....? then its hard to get center imaging without TA rite?
especially on the low vocal notes. very hard to get imaging from the mids...
so if a vocal play from low to high..i can feel the sound from the doors to the center up stage.

my apologies, setup was using H700 and later H900 processing power .. >:D









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Re: Time Aligment
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2006, 11:37:09 AM »
Thanks. But mind telling me, aren't 9835 only have 2 stereo pre-out ? Fr+Rr.

I presume you are running FrPreOut for Tw and RrPreOut for Md/Wf. It is no surprise the Md/Wf will be going in tandem in this case, unless you run those 3way EQ or HU like HX-D2 that has 3 stereo preout.

err..where's your passive ? What speakers are they ?
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Re: Time Aligment
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2006, 11:43:52 AM »
Thanks. But mind telling me, aren't 9835 only have 2 stereo pre-out ? Fr+Rr.

I presume you are running FrPreOut for Tw and RrPreOut for Md/Wf. It is no surprise the Md/Wf will be going in tandem in this case, unless you run those 3way EQ or HU like HX-D2 that has 3 stereo preout.

err..where's your passive ? What speakers are they ?

yup...only got 2 pre out 1 sub.
Frpreout for tweets and Rrpreout for midrange and mids.
my eq now is flat....
no passive..coz this a/d/s amp i got can feed 1 pair of input to 4 channels. then i use the amp crossover to HPmidrange and LPmids.

my tweets are vifa,
midrange morel made marcom
mids a/d/s

oh plz help me...i am going nuts bout tuning 3 way.
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Re: Time Aligment
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2006, 11:46:45 AM »
9835 got 3 preout woor & max can run 3ways full active only, Sub/Mid/tweet.. HX-D2 diff woorr this 1 can run 4ways Full active set-up maaa, Sub/LowMid/HighMid/tweet

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Re: Time Aligment
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2006, 11:48:58 AM »
9835 got 3 preout woor & max can run 3ways full active only, Sub/Mid/tweet.. HX-D2 diff woorr this 1 can run 4ways Full active set-up maaa, Sub/LowMid/HighMid/tweet

well what i mean is 3way front setup,,,
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